Highest possible Reflex?

[AidanRyuko]

I'm trying to work in a good number for a reflex record on my current paladin life

At the moment I can get it to 75 self buffed at level 14. Here is the break down:

Base reflex saves: 6

Dexterity Bonus:
Regular Dexterity Bonus: +13

Feat Bonus:
Regular Charisma Bonus: +12
Halfling luck: +1
Halfling Luck (reflex) enhancement: +3
Resillience: +4

Enchanted bonusses:
Item of Resistance: +5
Resistance of good: +2
Aura of Good: +1
Voice of the Master trinket: +1
Defender of Siberys: +1
Orb +5 bonus: +5 when defending

clickies/spells
Recitation: +1
Greater Heroism: +4
Resistance spell: +3 (stacks with resistance on equipment)
Tensers transformation: +2 (thanks to the dex boost)
Saves boost III: +4
haste: +1

-lightning reflexes feat: +2
-eldritch resistance: +1
-Large guild slot reflex gem: +1
-trace of madness reflex recipe: +5 (+10)
-monk class level 2: +3 reflex
-water stance: +2 to all saves
=83

so I'd like to know how I can increase this further, some things I came up with so far are the following:
-pick Charisma ability at 16,20: +1
-Paladin charisma III + stat tome +4: +1 (I'm at cha II and stat +3)
-exc. charisma +2: +1
-resistance of good III: +1 (+3)
-Defender of Siberys II: +1 (+2)
-paladin saves boost IV: +1 (+5)
-alchemical potion +2: +1
-paladin class level 14: +1 (+4)
-rogue class level 4: +2 (+4)
-uncanny dodge: +4
-good luck +2 item: +1
-Luck of heroes: +1
-Superior Parring: +2 (+4)

=18 selfbuffed

Epic destiny:
shadow dancer Tier II
passive reflex: +6
tumbling reflex: +9
dexterity reflex: +1
=16 for tier 2 ED

=111 reflex (without slotting in other ED's)

outside sources:
armor of speed: +1 (does this stack?)

[Purkilius]

Nice, only thing that comes to mind is the madness armor crafting +10 reflex so that would be +5 more.

[AidanRyuko]

Nice, only thing that comes to mind is the madness armor crafting +10 reflex so that would be +5 more.

ah good idea! thanks

oh and also remembered walk of the sun from monks, would give me an additional +2

[Dieterstrife]

I have to find a pic of my rogue on her first life. 64 reflex at lvl 15, but never got a pic at cap.

[Mellkor]

my int based rogue with insightful reflexes hits high 60's without really trying. If I focused on it, I could easily hit 80+.

[AidanRyuko]

hmm that statement doesn't really help me increase reflex more. I can hit low 70s at level 15 if I want to. If you can show me a screenshot I'll put you up on the record book with such a number. current record of max int bonus someone managed to get is +30 so that could make it possible to get into 80, but I'd love to see you figuring out how to put all the reflex gear + int gear on your character.

If you do manage then a breakdown would be nice because that is information I can actually use

[Lunytune908]

Very nice reflex oh and inspire heroics and GH won't stack because the are both morale bonuses. Hope this helps.

-Luuny-

[AidanRyuko]

yes, I was wondering that thanks

[Bacab]

Crucible Swimmer right there...

[Jay203]

Crucible Swimmer right there...

don't need reflex save to complete the swim
just competent swimmer

[pelaaja]

I think getting higher than than is very hard to go, especially with your build.

Only things I can think of to increase the reflex save even more is by

• Going with paladin/monk(/rogue or ranger) split (14 paladin/6 monk) for water/air stance or
• Getting the Paladin Helf Dilentantte with a high reflex save build (where 12 monk or bard/6 ranger/2 rogue, the base reflex of 16 already shines. However, might not have good self-buffs) or
• Going Tukaw build's monk variation (my original Tukaw has a good 35 reflex ship buffed at lvl 14) and focus on CHA.

Anyways, way to go to get your saves that high, my fellow Argonnessenian

[AidanRyuko]

ah great tip! I still got that free LR, I'm going to trade my fighter level for 2 monk levels (14pal, 4rog, 2monk), Fighter gave tower shield proficiency (for defender of siberys) + additional feat and 0 reflex save. Monk will give +3 reflex save, two feats (Combat expertise + Resillience) with +3 reflex save, +1 saves to all traps enhancement (though it doesn't display as reflex), water stance for an additional +2 to all saves

And all that comes without gimping my toon, I can just switch on most of that stuff.

EDIT: did not know the free LR doesn't allow class changes so now I have to wait 7 days to actually change my class -.- Either way something good did come from it, I added 1 more point to dex and cha (taken from str) and picked up resillience which now gives me 61 reflex at level 14. Technically with a trace of madness robe and monk re-spec I can get reflex to 70 at this level. My goal is reaching 100 reflex before I TR =)

[Postumus]

You can easily add another +12-18 reflex from epic destinies depending on how you twist them.

Draconic: Draconic Perception will give +6 passive

Magister: Unearthly Reactions will give +6 passive

Shadow Dancer: Acrobatic will give +9 while tumbling (lol)

Shadow Dancer: Lithe will give +6 passive

Grandmaster of Flowers: Perfection of Soul will give +6 reflex


As a pally, the Grandmaster of Flowers would be the least amount of grind to get, but you should be able to get 4 Unyielding Sentinel, 5 Grandmaster of Flowers, and 3 Shadow Dancer fairly easily just by running all the end game content a couple of times.

[Kaisoni]

A greater parrying item will give a +2 insight bonus to saves.

A superior parrying item will give a +4 insight bonus but I've only ever seen that on ML 20+ items.

[AidanRyuko]

I get the feeling I'm missing some reflex on this picture because I could get to 79 at level 15 and at level 16 I gained 2 reflex for 81 before I got my hands on the new Orb shield. With the shield I can't use monk stance losing out on 2 reflex, but I can get an addition 5 reflex from that and I managed to squeeze in +1 from the recitation spell, so I should be able to reach 85, yet I only got to 83. Maybe I'm forgetting something.

According to current calculations I'll be able to hit 114 reflex at level 20 with just shadowdancer 2