Stalwart Defender and Rage

[Devilteck]

Ok I looked all throught the latest Known issue list and the wiki under Stalwart Defender and can not find any place listed why SD is uneffected by rage. Is this WAI or should I bug report this?

Here"s a link to SD on the wiki....http://ddowiki.com/page/Stalwart_Defender_enhancements

And here's a link to the known issue list...http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=150534

[Krelar]

Ok I looked all throught the latest Known issue list and the wiki under Stalwart Defender and can not find any place listed why SD is uneffected by rage. Is this WAI or should I bug report this?

It's working as intended. Stalwart Defender (and defender of Siberys) are immune to rage effects while in stance. I don't remember exactly when but it has been that way for quite a while.

[cidchronic]

Ok I looked all throught the latest Known issue list and the wiki under Stalwart Defender and can not find any place listed why SD is uneffected by rage. Is this WAI or should I bug report this?

Here"s a link to SD on the wiki....http://ddowiki.com/page/Stalwart_Defender_enhancements

And here's a link to the known issue list...http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=150534

most stances will prevent rage from applying, i found this out the hard way. sibery defender, combat expertise etc...usually the perm. stances (no expire time). hope this help you. have a great day

[shadereaper33]

most stances will prevent rage from applying, i found this out the hard way. sibery defender, combat expertise etc...usually the perm. stances (no expire time). hope this help you. have a great day

actually, it is only the defensive stances that prevent rage. These include defensive fighting, combat expertise, defender of syberis stance, and stalwart defender stance.

[Devilteck]

Right and everything I have been asking in advice channel reflect these's sentiments but there is no offical listing where this is said, NOT even in the description in game. So we are supposed to accept this as WAI since it is listed absolutly no where? I say either change the description to reflect this or fix it so SD is not immune. Thanks.

[Sunarch_Kunari]

You are unaffected by offensive spells/spell-like abilities (confirmed on Adrenaline, not Tensers or Gloves of the Titan) while you are in a defensive stance. This is WAI

[Devilteck]

You are unaffected by offensive spells/spell-like abilities (confirmed on Adrenaline, not Tensers or Gloves of the Titan) while you are in a defensive stance. This is WAI

Yes you can use Titan's glove's just tested it in game and I also looked through all the descriptions in game/WIKI/Known Issue list so if you could site your source for this information except your 2 cents/insight I would love to see where this information is listed. Thanks.

[Jhenissa]

I had the same question. Look specifically at post #4.


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=365486

[Sunarch_Kunari]

Can't find the thread where people discussed it, but the Defensive Fighting and the Combat Expertise DDOWiki page both say they dispell and ward against rage and other effects. I found this out while on a 12/6/2 fighter

[Devilteck]

Can't find the thread where people discussed it, but the Defensive Fighting and the Combat Expertise DDOWiki page both say they dispell and ward against rage and other effects. I found this out while on a 12/6/2 fighter

Ok again you quote just people talking about it and that doesn't make it WAI and even the links you sent me say that those two ward against rage where as SD does not say anywhere that it does and going alittle further if you say stances do this then power attack should to correct? Since it is listed under the combat stances!!

[Sunarch_Kunari]

Ok again you quote just people talking about it and that doesn't make it WAI and even the links you sent me say that those two ward against rage where as SD does not say anywhere that it does and going alittle further if you say stances do this then power attack should to correct? Since it is listed under the combat stances!!

The tanky stances on the wiki are just quotes... DDO doesn't state it, but tooltips don't state a lot of things.

More (player) confirmation:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=399209
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=333158 - "Note - no Rage or Madstone Rage as Stalwart Defender stance causes immunity to these effects"
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=388251

[shadereaper33]

Can't find the thread where people discussed it, but the Defensive Fighting and the Combat Expertise DDOWiki page both say they dispell and ward against rage and other effects. I found this out while on a 12/6/2 fighter

That is true, the defensive stances prevent rage and rage like effects such as the rage spell, the adrenaline ability from fury of the wild (as it makes you raged until your next attack), and madstone rage from both the madstone boots and the proc effect in madstone crater. Effects like Tenser's, and the gloves of titans grip, are NOT rage effects, and are not prohibited by any of the defensive stances.

[count_spicoli]

When you look at stalwart description did you click + sign for drop down on stalwart stance. Im almost positive it says you cannot be affected by rage and rage like spells. I know dos does. You use to be able to go out of stance click your boots for madstone go back intp stance and keep the rage. I think they fixxed that tho. Kind of makes sense tho. You are supposed to be a controlled bastion of defense out thinking its opponent not a bloodthirsty savage hell bent on kill or be killed.

[Mercureal]

When you look at stalwart description did you click + sign for drop down on stalwart stance. Im almost positive it says you cannot be affected by rage and rage like spells. I know dos does. You use to be able to go out of stance click your boots for madstone go back intp stance and keep the rage. I think they fixxed that tho. Kind of makes sense tho. You are supposed to be a controlled bastion of defense out thinking its opponent not a bloodthirsty savage hell bent on kill or be killed.

This. When you go into the SD Defensive Stance in-game, you get a message in your dialogue box stating that you are warded against Rage effects.

[Devilteck]

Ok checked them all.

When you look at stalwart description did you click + sign for drop down on stalwart stance. Im almost positive it says you cannot be affected by rage and rage like spells. I know dos does. You use to be able to go out of stance click your boots for madstone go back intp stance and keep the rage. I think they fixxed that tho. Kind of makes sense tho. You are supposed to be a controlled bastion of defense out thinking its opponent not a bloodthirsty savage hell bent on kill or be killed.

This. When you go into the SD Defensive Stance in-game, you get a message in your dialogue box stating that you are warded against Rage effects.

Here is the image over my buff bar:



Here is the image over the first icon for SD:


Here is the image over the first SD drop down:


Here is the image over the second icon for SD:


Here is the image over the second SD drop down:


Here is the image over the third icon for SD:


And here is the image over the third SD drop down:



So I task to you to tell me where in this text does it say that I'm warded against rage. Now I get what you are saying about the SD being a bastion of blah blah but what I'm trying to say is that this is either WAI or fix the code to make it work right. Either way it need's to get on the known issue list.

Edit: I did see it in the combat log(2 lines among the 200 other lines) and as I stated above I really don't care which way it goes It just needs to be stated more clearly in the descriptions somewhere.

[Jasparion]

When you look at stalwart description did you click + sign for drop down on stalwart stance. Im almost positive it says you cannot be affected by rage and rage like spells. I know dos does. You use to be able to go out of stance click your boots for madstone go back intp stance and keep the rage. I think they fixxed that tho. Kind of makes sense tho. You are supposed to be a controlled bastion of defense out thinking its opponent not a bloodthirsty savage hell bent on kill or be killed.

I dont know about the Fighter one, but Im pretty sure Defender of Siberys mentions the rage effect.

Has anyone bug reported this for Fighter?

[Enoach]

Going back to a 2009 Post by developers - Preview of the SD PrE

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172703

You will notice this phrase:

"All Defensive Stances, however, whether they be from the Defender of Siberys or the Stalwart Defender, are not compatible with various "enrage" effects. (Rage effects do not permit "any abilities that require patience or concentration", which is pretty much a description of Defensive Stance.) Rather than kicking you out of your Defensive Stance if a friend casts Rage on you, we chose to instead make you immune to the Rage spell while in a Defensive Stance. If you're enraged when you enter Defensive Stance, the enrage effect will be removed."

[Enoach]

I think this was text that was removed when they made the pass on the Movement Speed of the Defensive Stances. It use to be 1/4, 1/3 and 1/2 as you progressed up the chain. Now it is a straight -10%.

So it looks like only in the original discussions is this text left. I do agree that this text would be important to list for all Defensive Stances such as SD's, DoS's, CE and DF.

[sirgog]

The text should be clarified so that this question stops coming up.

Most rage effects increase your damage taken in some way (-10% fortification, -2 AC, or some other similar effect). As such it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Defenders are immune to these effects when in a defensive stance.

The 6 Str and 6 Con attached to tier 3 stances is meant to make up for the loss of 2 Str and 2 Con from the Rage spell (the only one of the Rage effects that players generally have active more than half the time at level cap).

[Devilteck]

The text should be clarified so that this question stops coming up.

Most rage effects increase your damage taken in some way (-10% fortification, -2 AC, or some other similar effect). As such it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Defenders are immune to these effects when in a defensive stance.

The 6 Str and 6 Con attached to tier 3 stances is meant to make up for the loss of 2 Str and 2 Con from the Rage spell (the only one of the Rage effects that players generally have active more than half the time at level cap).

And I agree 100% that it should not affect SD or other stances for this reason, I started this discusion to determine whether it was WAI or bad code, but this thread just got side tracked with me having to prove to them that it says nothing in the descriptions at all. We now know that it is WAI and that the verbage just s****, one line in the combat log(which I turn off to reduce lag) is not enough. Thanks for any posative responses to the op.