DPS master

[connerj]

BUILD ID: 34088

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PAST LIVES SELECTED:
Monk (1)

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LEVEL 1
Race Selected: Male Half-Orc
Alignment Selected: True Neutral
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20, CON: 18, INT: 8
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (2), Jump +4 (4), Listen +4 (4)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
Automatic Feats Granted: Past Life (Monk), Attack, Heroic Durability, Sneak, Defensive Fighting, Fast Movement, Half-Orc Orc Blood, Rage, Sunder, Trip, Simple Weapons, Martial Weapons, Shield Proficiency (General), Light Armor Proficiency, Medium Armor Proficiency

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LEVEL 2
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Jump +1 (5), Listen +1 (5)
Automatic Feats Granted: Uncanny Dodge

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LEVEL 3
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Jump +1 (6), Listen +1 (6)
Feats Selected: Cleave
Tomes Applied: STR: +1, CON: +1
Favor Bonus Granted: Draconic Vitality (15 Agents of Argonnessen Favor)
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+1)

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LEVEL 4
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 4)
Abilities Raised: STR: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Jump +1 (7), Listen +1 (7)

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LEVEL 5
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Jump +1 (8), Listen +1 (8)
Automatic Feats Granted: Improved Uncanny Dodge

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LEVEL 6
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Jump +1 (9), Listen +1 (9)
Feats Selected: Stunning Blow
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+2)

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LEVEL 7
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Jump +1 (10), Listen +1 (10)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, CON: +2

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LEVEL 8
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 8)
Abilities Raised: STR: 24
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Jump +1 (11), Listen +1 (11)

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LEVEL 9
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Jump +1 (12), Listen +1 (12)
Feats Selected: Improved Critical (Slashing)
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+3)

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LEVEL 10
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Jump +1 (13), Listen +1 (13)

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LEVEL 11
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7), Jump +1 (14), Listen +1 (14)
Tomes Applied: STR: +3, CON: +3
Automatic Feats Granted: Greater Rage

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LEVEL 12
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 12)
Abilities Raised: STR: 26
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (7.5), Jump +1 (15), Listen +1 (15)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+4)

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LEVEL 13
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8), Jump +1 (16), Listen +1 (16)

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LEVEL 14
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (8.5), Jump +1 (17), Listen +1 (17)
Automatic Feats Granted: Indomitable Will

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LEVEL 15
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9), Jump +1 (18), Listen +1 (18)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Tomes Applied: STR: +4, CON: +4
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+5)

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LEVEL 16
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 16)
Abilities Raised: STR: 28
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (9.5), Jump +1 (19), Listen +1 (19)

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LEVEL 17
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10), Jump +1 (20), Listen +1 (20)
Automatic Feats Granted: Tireless Rage

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LEVEL 18
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (10.5), Jump +1 (21), Listen +1 (21)
Feats Selected: Toughness
Automatic Feats Granted: Trap Sense (+6)

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LEVEL 19
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11), Jump +1 (22), Listen +1 (22)

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LEVEL 20
Class Selected: Barbarian (Barbarian 20)
Abilities Raised: STR: 29
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (11.5), Jump +1 (23), Listen +1 (23)
Equipment Mods Changed To: Armor AC: -9, Shield AC: -9, AC: -99, HP: 105, STR: 16, CON: 8, Balance: 10, Jump: 16
Enhancements Selected: Barbarian Toughness I, Barbarian Damage Boost I, Orcish Melee Damage I, Barbarian Extend Rage I, Barbarian Extra Rage I, Barbarian Power Attack I, Barbarian Power Rage I, Orcish Strength I, Racial Toughness I, Orcish Power Attack I, Barbarian Toughness II, Barbarian Hardy Rage I, Barbarian Constitution I, Barbarian Extend Rage II, Barbarian Power Rage II, Barbarian Toughness III, Racial Toughness II, Orcish Strength II, Orcish Melee Damage II, Barbarian Power Attack II, Barbarian Toughness IV, Barbarian Power Rage III, Barbarian Hardy Rage II, Barbarian Extra Rage II, Barbarian Extra Rage III, Barbarian Power Rage IV, Barbarian Damage Boost II, Barbarian Frenzied Berzerker I, Barbarian Power Attack III, Barbarian Damage Boost III, Barbarian Damage Boost IV, Barbarian Frenzied Berzerker II, Barbarian Frenzied Berzerker III, Barbarian Might, Orcish Power Attack II, Barbarian Sprint Boost I, Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Automatic Feats Granted: Mighty Rage

[connerj]

Whirlwind barbarian-
Cleave,Supreme cleave,(great cleave optional if you want to gice 1 toughness rank up),sunder
it should keep you swinging circles for, well as long as you want
Greataxe-Any great damage dealing greataxe
STR based
Rage bonuses-Barbarian rage-Frenzy death frenzy-spell rage- item rage-madstone rage-(unlisted) extra +2 con and str from set bonus
total-26 STR/CON
Total STR-75!!!!
Haha, no chance anyone will live.
WITH ED-
(epic tougness, great cleave/extra STR/toughness)
+400% to next attack,3-20X6 crit, WOO i would REALLY like to see that 1 hit a boss.

[connerj]

listen is replaced for spot, help to see sneaking enemies.

[connerj]

With ED buffs,
+5 STR/CON
+100 HP
+2 STR
+30% extra damage to helpess(stunning blow)
2d20

[unbongwah]

Why so many Toughnesses instead of the THF feats? You're a pure barb - if you're sacrificing DPS, you're doing it wrong.

[pelaaja]

3 toughnesses? for a barb? Barb's one of those classes which the least needs toughness. You're much better off taking the THF line. And as for toughness, well... Replace Stunning blow with it or sacrifise Overwhelming Critical epic feat (assuming epic feats would be Greater cleave and OC).

[Ellihor]

WITH ED-
(epic tougness, great cleave/extra STR/toughness)
+400% to next attack,3-20X6 crit, WOO i would REALLY like to see that 1 hit a boss.

I would stay on legendary dreadnough, its waay better.

[grayham]

Unfortunately I don't have the time to say this in a nice constructive way, but will revisit the thread another time. In brief:

Your DPS is probably decent, but not 'master' level. Too many toughnesses. For consistent 'standard' damage LD gets my vote over FOTW. And no barb build can claim to be master DPS without Overwhelming crit.

[connerj]

new feat list:
power attack
cleave
stunning blow
Improved Critical (Slashing)
toughenesss
toughenesss
toughenesss
overwhelming critical
great cleave

OK! i think that the two handed fighting feats are quite lame. why would you ness glancing blows when you DPS is so high anyway? if u wanna hit ppl. in front of u even HARDER then use (great,supreme)[cleave]. thats what it is meant for. so overwhelming crit is pretty boss. toughness provides about 200 hp or somethign and THF is jsut lame like I said since you gain rage bonuses or something... and this build does more damage than my temepst build does. both kick butt though and sorcerer will be posted soon. HP should reach high numbers while raging. cant tank but ccan deal EXTREME amounts of dps with your trusty great axe/sword or falchion.

[akiraproject24]

new feat list:
power attack
cleave
stunning blow
Improved Critical (Slashing)
toughenesss
toughenesss
toughenesss
overwhelming critical
great cleave

OK! i think that the two handed fighting feats are quite lame. why would you ness glancing blows when you DPS is so high anyway? if u wanna hit ppl. in front of u even HARDER then use (great,supreme)[cleave]. thats what it is meant for. so overwhelming crit is pretty boss. toughness provides about 200 hp or somethign and THF is jsut lame like I said since you gain rage bonuses or something... and this build does more damage than my temepst build does. both kick butt though and sorcerer will be posted soon. HP should reach high numbers while raging. cant tank but ccan deal EXTREME amounts of dps with your trusty great axe/sword or falchion.

Why would you spend 4 destiny points on 2 pts of str increase? This turns out to be +1 damage per hit for simplicity sake. Glancing blows will hit for like 80-120 a pop why would you sacrifice that much dps for 50-100 hp? Glancing blows also proc frenzy damage 100% of the time afaik. So put into perspective the sacrifices you are making for a couple pts of damage here and there. And compare them to the damage you get out of glancing blows. Anyhow thats why you take the THF feats...significant dps increase

[connerj]

are you blind? you get all ranks of glancing blows and bonuses from your raging stuff. if you think about it, cleave will hit what about 600 per hit? i think thats more than 80-120. and it is 161 HP from toughness, with DR and rage and all, it will be good. and STR is not from 4 pts in ED its from another thing, i forget the name.

[emptysands]

GB proc on cleaves/etc. They also proc on your single target - not just (if) any mobs around you.

Capstone Barb with GTHF gets GBs with 60% base damage on 3 out of 4 swings. This is a HUGE chunk of dps. Lets say: 60% * 75% - 30% * 50 % = 30% extra damage on top of your main/cleave/etc base damage.

Second Vicious procs on all GBs. So GTHF which adds the 3rd GB out of 4 swings adds 6d6 extra vicious damage out of 4 swings.

[HalfORCastrator]

If you want to come on here asking for advice, don't poo poo it, especially from a position of ignorance. From your last post I'm pretty sure you don't know what you think you know. It's all good though, I went through the same phase. Funny looking back at it. lol

Glancing Blows start at 20% base. You get 10% from each of the three thf feats(30%). 10% more from Barb capstone. Possibly 9% more from Fury of the Wild ED if you decide to go with it. Cleave/Great Cleave/Supreme Cleave all proc glancing blows on each hit compared to normal attacks procing glancing blows on the first and third swings.

HP is a nonissue for Barbarians. You'll have over 1k with poor gear with just 1 toughness and enhancements(if you have EDs). With great gear you'll have almost 1.2k or maybe more depending on your destiny. An extra 54 is just about meaningless, and here it's detrimental since you're giving up 2 feats on a feat-starved class. Even more detrimental if you plan on somehow getting 161 hp from your toughness feats and enhancements(total ap waste!).


Where do you even get these numbers? Cleave will not hit 600 per hit-not on a regular basis anyway.

[Rogann]

are you blind? you get all ranks of glancing blows and bonuses from your raging stuff. if you think about it, cleave will hit what about 600 per hit? i think thats more than 80-120. and it is 161 HP from toughness, with DR and rage and all, it will be good. and STR is not from 4 pts in ED its from another thing, i forget the name.

I've refrained from posting any type of Barb guide due to the fact its been so heavily done by everyone. From what I can see you don't know a whole lot about the class.

He is correct. Glancing blows hit for 120 a pop(assuming you use barbarian class rages....)


I will tell you right now a measly 160 hp from toughnesses is a complete waste. That's one hit from a normal mob in EE.

[Rawrargh]

Heroic level feats in no particular order:

Cleave
Greatcleave
Improved crit
Thf
Ithf
Gthf
Power attack

Epic level feats:

Overwhelming critical
*Optional*

If you do no have the above feats on a barb, the build is in no way a "DPS master".

Someone already pointed out the obvious HUGE DPS loss from not picking up the THF-line.

[RabidApathy]

Here's another vote for the THF line.

When stationary or cleaving, the THF line is a massive DPS increase both on your main target and surrounding foes. The real question Barbarians are asking is "One toughness, or skip it altogether?"

The 2 extra toughnesses are 27 hp apiece at lv 25, for a grand total of 54 hp. The first toughness is worth more, but Barbarians are swimming in hp.

[Dieterstrife]

Highest DPS setup for a barb?

PA
Cleave
THF
ITHF
GTHF
IC: Slash
Power Critical
Great Cleave
(take 2 fighter)
Stunning Blow
Improved Sunder
Overwhelming Critical

Power Critical? With a Gaxe and in Dread, you'll have a x9 crit. +18 damage on a crit is..well, it's dps. As for the 2 fighter? I figure having both of those tacticals is more important in a real world application than the capstone.

And you still have 1k+hp raged.

[pelaaja]

Highest DPS setup for a barb?

PA
Cleave
THF
ITHF
GTHF
IC: Slash
Power Critical
Great Cleave
(take 2 fighter)
Stunning Blow
Improved Sunder
Overwhelming Critical

Power Critical? With a Gaxe and in Dread, you'll have a x9 crit. +18 damage on a crit is..well, it's dps. As for the 2 fighter? I figure having both of those tacticals is more important in a real world application than the capstone.

And you still have 1k+hp raged.

I wouldn't pick Power Critical, or splash either. I think it's the OP's decision what to pick as the last feat: Toughness, Stunning Blow or Improved Sunder

[Dieterstrife]

I only suggest splashing because I personally don't care for barbs and with that much strength I'd love to have both of those tactics at my disposal. The power critical is a kind of tongue in cheek feat to take, but I still see it as semi-free dps at all times.

Personally, I think a paladin is capable of more dps. However, this logic is based on the idea that Paladins gained a massive boost to their survivability (endless LOH). And as we all know, your dps is 0 when youre dead.

[Hawkwier]

Surely you'd take Power Attack over that feat first?

Even if you aren't doing the Orc or W/F additonal PA enhancement line, PA is a prereq for some of the Legendary Dreadnought abilites (momentum swing and lay waste), which you might well want to twist in even if not running that ED.

My barb is human, and as has been said, that leaves me with two "optional" feats.

Personally, I went toughness and epic toughness for 77 more hp (97 if you count the two cheap 1EP increases in toughness enhancements made possible by toughness). I'd tried stunning blow earlier (before the supreme cleave nerf), but found I was too busy spamming cleaves to remember to hit the **** button often enough to make it worthwhile! (I know, duh!), LOL.

I might think about going back to it again now though, as I do now have whole slew of hit-points (can a barb ever really have enough, though? ) and am hitting a lot more clickies in combat anyway now, compared to just the SC spam button when I last tried it out. Maybe improved trip or improved sunder to go along with that would be interesting: that Vs nearly 100hp, something to think about...

PA over PC for me, though - every time!