I wanted to post this to see if anyone thanks its a good idea. When i hit twenty (if i do) i will be able to do traps and evade with rouge then with ranger i am taking that for the free feats and to be a bit more use full and with bard i can rage, haste, and heal.
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Thread: 2Rouge/6Ranger/12Bard Drow elf
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10-05-2012, 08:08 AM #1Community Member
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2Rouge/6Ranger/12Bard Drow elf
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10-05-2012, 08:56 AM #2Community Member
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What is a rouge? (besides womens make up)
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10-05-2012, 09:00 AM #3Hero
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All builds can be fun. It is not uncommon to splash rogue with bard for evasion and trap skills. If you are looking to be 2wf, then ranger is fine and the feats are nice to help.
Have fun with it.
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10-05-2012, 09:12 AM #4Community Member
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I have a Drow and Halfling versions, my hafling is to level 14 and I enjoy playing the character, just trying to optimize the feats and equipment. I think the biggest thing is to just enjoy playing you character.
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10-05-2012, 09:35 AM #5Community Member
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Yes, and apparantly it can be put it on a character's cheeks to evade with.
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10-05-2012, 09:50 PM #6Build Constructionist
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Unless you really want the ranged feats, I recommend the classic rogue 2 / ftr 2 / bard 16. Tempest I is pretty meh; while the extra bard lvls bump up your Inspire Courage, adds Inspire Heroics (bard 15) and lvl 6 spells (bard 16). [If you don't care about lvl 6 spells, an extra rog lvl adds +1D6 SA and a few more skill pts.] Also, Inspire Excellence is, well, an excellent epic feat, IMHO, but req's at least 15 bard lvls.
Here's an example of the classic Warchanter version, slightly tweaked for U15:
Epic feats: Inspire Excellence and Overwhelming CriticalCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female (2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard) Hit Points: 280 Spell Points: 450 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 11 Reflex: 17 Will: 9 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 12 12 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 20 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 8 Bluff 1 1 Concentration 4 25 Diplomacy 1 1 Disable Device 4 22 Haggle 1 1 Heal -1 -1 Hide 3 4 Intimidate 1 5 Jump 3 7 Listen -1 1 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock 7 8 Perform n/a 24 Repair 0 1 Search 4 24 Spot 3 5 Swim 3 7 Tumble 4 5 Use Magic Device 5 24 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Fighter) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Bard) Skill: Perform (+6) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat Level 4 (Bard) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Spell (1): Focusing Chant Level 5 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds Level 6 (Bard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons Spell (2): Blur Spell (2): Rage Level 7 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds Level 8 (Bard) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Level 9 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Spell (3): Displacement Spell (3): Haste Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Search (+5) Level 11 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Spell (3): Good Hope Level 12 (Bard) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Level 13 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds Spell (4): Dimension Door Spell (4): Freedom of Movement Level 14 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds Level 15 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV Level 16 (Bard) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Greater Heroism Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds Level 17 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Shadow Walk Level 18 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave Level 19 (Bard) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Perform (+2) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Level 20 (Bard) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Perform (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds Spell (6): Heroes Feast Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
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10-07-2012, 08:14 PM #7Community Member
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Hi Claydro, Originally Posted by Claydro88
I am playing a 12/6/2 bard/ranger/rogue (actually level 21 now) and she's pretty good. I think she has a high 30's reflex save (unbuffed) and sits around 450 hp/1000 sp as a spellsinger/tempest I hybrid (pretty poorly geared, could be better). The ranger feats are nice, but if you're planning on taking a ranger prestige, you have to invest several feats to get there...kind of cancels out the feats gained. The thing I like about 6 ranger in the build is you get more skill points to spend on trap skills, a couple decent spells (ram's might), and manyshot is also very powerful if you get your hands on a good bow.
There are some drawbacks, however. With 12 bard you can't cast GH, and also your healing will be limited at best unless you are planning to primarily use heal scrolls (the best heal spell you get is cure critical). As Unbongwah stated the songs are also not quite as good if you only go 12 bard. Another drawback is the noobs that make lfm's and decline you because "there's no way that build can be good" -- trust me it'll happen fairly often.
To conclude, I've had more fun with this character than with my 18/2 wiz/rogue palemaster and would definitely suggest rolling one up if you want to try it out.
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10-26-2012, 06:02 AM #8Community Member
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Hail Claydro88
Have you considered Ranger 11 (no PRE), bard 8(WC), Rog1.
It will do as u asked:
"i will be able to do traps and evade with rouge then with ranger i am taking that for the free feats and to be a bit more use full and with bard i can rage, haste, and heal."
PA, Extend, Bow Strength, Rapid Shot, TWF, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Maximise, ITWF, Manyshot, Imp Cit - pierce, Archer focus, Evasion, GTWF, Imp Precise Shot, Weapon Focus - pierce, 2x Epic Feats.
U will be able to do reasonable search and Disable, UMD, fascinate, cast haste, rage, displace, self healing, and reasonable Inspire Courage song.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Drow Male (1 Rogue \ 11 Ranger \ 8 Bard) Hit Points: 294 Spell Points: 384 BAB: 17\17\22\27\27 Fortitude: 13 Reflex: 22 Will: 9 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 14 22 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 11 14 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 10 14 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 12 Bluff 0 2 Concentration 2 27 Diplomacy 3 5 Disable Device 4 24 Haggle 0 2 Heal -1 0 Hide 3 7 Intimidate 0 4 Jump 6 10 Listen -1 2 Move Silently 3 7 Open Lock 7 11 Perform n/a 23 Repair 0 2 Search 4 27 Spot 3 8 Swim 2 6 Tumble 4 8 Use Magic Device 4 25 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Level 2 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Level 4 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Level 5 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 7 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Level 8 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Level 10 (Ranger) Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II Level 11 (Ranger) Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Level 13 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II Level 14 (Ranger) Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II Level 16 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Level 17 (Ranger) Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III Level 18 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III Level 19 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II Level 20 (Ranger) Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
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10-29-2012, 02:09 PM #9Community Member
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Agreed with him except on the dex... go with lower dex (15 for TWF or even lower for THF and a better toon :P) and get a +2 dex tome for TWF. Originally Posted by unbongwah
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10-30-2012, 10:10 PM #10Community Member
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The ranger reason
The reason behind for those who are wondering the ranger is for the free two weapon style feats and the. Also they get some buff spells so i don't have to waste spell slots.
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