DDO > Neverwinter

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Looking back on past Cryptic games might be a mistake in this case. The combat will not feel like CO or STO, more so like the acclaimed combat from Vindictus. They are totally reworking the combat mechanisms of STO to include a balancing act which may make Turbine cry. We shall see if they can pull it off. Just look at some of these negative comments about Cryptic, they sound eerily similar to what was said about Turbine before launch. You just have to play the game to be able to make an educated decision. It's a bit early yet to write this game off just yet.

[Uska]

Looking back on past Cryptic games might be a mistake in this case. The combat will not feel like CO or STO, more so like the acclaimed combat from Vindictus. They are totally reworking the combat mechanisms of STO to include a balancing act which may make Turbine cry. We shall see if they can pull it off. Just look at some of these negative comments about Cryptic, they sound eerily similar to what was said about Turbine before launch. You just have to play the game to be able to make an educated decision. It's a bit early yet to write this game off just yet.

In truth my biggest concern can't be overcome its 4E WOTC should be nuked from orbit just to be sure that they cant do such an abomination ever again.

[Uska]

Looking back on past Cryptic games might be a mistake in this case. The combat will not feel like CO or STO, more so like the acclaimed combat from Vindictus. They are totally reworking the combat mechanisms of STO to include a balancing act which may make Turbine cry. We shall see if they can pull it off. Just look at some of these negative comments about Cryptic, they sound eerily similar to what was said about Turbine before launch. You just have to play the game to be able to make an educated decision. It's a bit early yet to write this game off just yet.

In truth my biggest concern can't be overcome its 4E WOTC should be nuked from orbit just to be sure that they cant do such an abomination ever again.

Plus not a fan of player generated content to much dross and not enough gold.

[Kmnh]

Neverwinter is based on Forgotten Realms, so the story will be based on one-dimensional NPCs and boring black-and-white morals. And they won't ever have raid expeditions into ancient research labs to face the onde god that makes sense.

Death to all fleshlings!

[Musouka]

Neverwinter is based on Forgotten Realms, so the story will be based on one-dimensional NPCs and boring black-and-white morals. And they won't ever have raid expeditions into ancient research labs to face the onde god that makes sense.

Death to all fleshlings!

This just urges me towards that game. No warforged. It'll be 20 steps above DDO, because of that fact.

[Cernunan]

This just urges me towards that game. No warforged. It'll be 20 steps above DDO, because of that fact.

Or half elves. Or halflings. Or half orcs. Or multiclassing. With all of 4 classes so far.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

In truth my biggest concern can't be overcome its 4E WOTC should be nuked from orbit just to be sure that they cant do such an abomination ever again.

Plus not a fan of player generated content to much dross and not enough gold.

Yeah Uska, the fact that its based on 4e kept me away from NW until this past February. I also completely blew it off based on that fact alone. The only reason that made me back step to give it a legitimate look-see, is the fact it is going to be laden in Forgotten Realms lore. Then mix in the fact that its only "based on" 4e. We long timers in DDO been threw that one before!!! It wont be an exact duplication, and in fact I believe will wind up feeling like a hybrid. That very well might take the 4e sting off those of us (like you and me) that cant stand 4e. If the combat is engaging and fun, not too many folks are going to care what edition NW is based on. Bottom line, it may feel much more like D&D than DDO ever has.

As far as the user generated content goes, there is a growing and dedicated D&D community growing, very much like DDO was able to form in '05/'06. The thing is DDO lost a lot of that base. It remains to be seen how many remain hooked after Neverwinter launches. With the Foundry awaiting those DMs just waiting to write and design captivating content, you can not rule out the imagination and talent of the most loyal D&D campaign/quest designers.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Or half elves. Or halflings. Or half orcs. Or multiclassing. With all of 4 classes so far.

When Cryptic is ready to launch, it will probably have as many classes and races as DDO does. Either way, expect more classes and races before long. I dont think it will be even close after the one year mark. Just a guess on my part... but an educated one.

[Uska]

Yeah Uska, the fact that its based on 4e kept me away from NW until this past February. I also completely blew it off based on that fact alone. The only reason that made me back step to give it a legitimate look-see, is the fact it is going to be laden in Forgotten Realms lore. Then mix in the fact that its only "based on" 4e. We long timers in DDO been threw that one before!!! It wont be an exact duplication, and in fact I believe will wind up feeling like a hybrid. That very well might take the 4e sting off those of us (like you and me) that cant stand 4e. If the combat is engaging and fun, not too many folks are going to care what edition NW is based on. Bottom line, it may feel much more like D&D than DDO ever has.

As far as the user generated content goes, there is a growing and dedicated D&D community growing, very much like DDO was able to form in '05/'06. The thing is DDO lost a lot of that base. It remains to be seen how many remain hooked after Neverwinter launches. With the Foundry awaiting those DMs just waiting to write and design captivating content, you can not rule out the imagination and talent of the most loyal D&D campaign/quest designers.

I hate the realms even more then I hate wow or 4E bad fiction over powered npc's its all to much to take cant see the fasination with it at all and while I said its bad fiction FR fiction is better than other dnd novels I will admit but still comes nowhere near that of Glen Cook or even terry brooks

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I hate the realms even more then I hate wow or 4E bad fiction over powered npc's its all to much to take cant see the fasination with it at all and while I said its bad fiction FR fiction is better than other dnd novels I will admit but still comes nowhere near that of Glen Cook or even terry brooks

Well if you hate the Forgotten Realms, and you hate 4e, then NWO is probably not for you.

Considering how badly Turbine has done "balance" in this game however, don't be surprised if many ex-DDOers say that balance is at least a bit better in NW.

[Missing_Minds]

Well if you hate the Forgotten Realms, and you hate 4e, then NWO is probably not for you.

Considering how badly Turbine has done "balance" in this game however, don't be surprised if many ex-DDOers say that balance is at least a bit better in NW.

3.x was never about player balance which is what a lot of video gamers, not DnD players, complained about.

A small but important distinction there. Video gamers may very well enjoy NWN more than DDO because of 4.0 being a lot more of what they are used to vs. having to learn something from a completely different box set of rules and history.

At least due to the fact it is 4.0 aka WotC gamers don't have to worry about Bill as much.

[Musouka]

No matter what, I will give it a shot. If it turns out to be a Dud, then I will just uninstall it. If it turns out to be something I can enjoy and socialize with, I will probably play it more than I play DDO in its current state.

I like the idea of being able to create my own adventure and let others play it. I plan on using the Foundry when it comes out and building at least 1 adventure. I haven't done much on level editing since the last Pathfinder game I DMed and used Maptools. Before that, I designed a few levels for Unreal Tournament series, from 99-2004

[Jay203]

yup, will be trying it out seeing how it's free to play

but i won't hold my breath for it, atm it seems like pretty generic hack-n-slash mmo without much in terms of build customization

[Uska]

No matter what, I will give it a shot. If it turns out to be a Dud, then I will just uninstall it. If it turns out to be something I can enjoy and socialize with, I will probably play it more than I play DDO in its current state.

I like the idea of being able to create my own adventure and let others play it. I plan on using the Foundry when it comes out and building at least 1 adventure. I haven't done much on level editing since the last Pathfinder game I DMed and used Maptools. Before that, I designed a few levels for Unreal Tournament series, from 99-2004

Unreal tourny was one game I did enjoy player generated content for to bad I never got to see any of your levels

[FranOhmsford]

I hate the realms even more then I hate wow or 4E bad fiction over powered npc's its all to much to take cant see the fasination with it at all and while I said its bad fiction FR fiction is better than other dnd novels I will admit but still comes nowhere near that of Glen Cook or even terry brooks

Massive Shannara fan here: Brooks is #1 all time in my book thank you.

As for your concerns about 4th Ed:

I LOATHE 3rd Ed. - I dislike 3.5 immensely - I find Pathfinder barely playable -

Yet I LOVE DDO - MMOs are very different to PnP - What is good for one may not be good for the other - I am a 2nd Ed. AD&D Fanatic who will never touch 4th Ed. PnP {3rd Ed. was the Death of Dungeons & Dragons PnP for me}.
YET I am a DDO Fanatic who is highly highly unlikely to find Neverwinter playable UNLESS it has the same Combat System!

I found Forgotten Realms strangely uninteresting back in the day YET I see Greyhawk as being far more Generic High Fantasy than the Realms.
Dragon Lance was always stymied by the Books.
Ravenloft wasn't for me.
Spelljammer and Dark Sun were my D&D Games.

If I can Loathe 3rd Ed. PnP yet realise that 2nd Ed. was never compatible with Computer gaming in any way and Adore DDO despite it's origins then I'm sure you could end up feeling the same way about Neverwinter.
Note the Could!

[Uska]

Massive Shannara fan here: Brooks is #1 all time in my book thank you.

As for your concerns about 4th Ed:

I LOATHE 3rd Ed. - I dislike 3.5 immensely - I find Pathfinder barely playable -

Yet I LOVE DDO - MMOs are very different to PnP - What is good for one may not be good for the other - I am a 2nd Ed. AD&D Fanatic who will never touch 4th Ed. PnP {3rd Ed. was the Death of Dungeons & Dragons PnP for me}.
YET I am a DDO Fanatic who is highly highly unlikely to find Neverwinter playable UNLESS it has the same Combat System!

I found Forgotten Realms strangely uninteresting back in the day YET I see Greyhawk as being far more Generic High Fantasy than the Realms.
Dragon Lance was always stymied by the Books.
Ravenloft wasn't for me.
Spelljammer and Dark Sun were my D&D Games.

If I can Loathe 3rd Ed. PnP yet realise that 2nd Ed. was never compatible with Computer gaming in any way and Adore DDO despite it's origins then I'm sure you could end up feeling the same way about Neverwinter.
Note the Could!

There are to many issues with NWN I mean bad it enough its 4E then its the realms finally its cryptic all in all I wont even bother I prefered 1st ed dnd then 2nd ed then 3.x I dont find pathfinder really different enough from 3.x to enjoy it.

For PnP I play hackmaster(the new version) when I can now it feels more old school plus I really like the people who run the company feels chatting with friends when we discuss the game and you can get the opportunity to play with the people behind the game now and then either online or at cons or one the meet and greets they have now and then.


well thats enough of a derail tangent.

[samthedagger]

I am going to try out NW because I have tried out every D&D game I can get my hands on. Also it is being billed as a F2P game, so I should be able to at least evaluate it before I slap down cash. But the more I learn about it, the less I am imagining it will replace DDO as my D&D video game of choice. Nevertheless, I am very much looking forward to some FR lore. If they have a good story in there it might be worth playing just for that.

[Uska]

I am going to try out NW because I have tried out every D&D game I can get my hands on. Also it is being billed as a F2P game, so I should be able to at least evaluate it before I slap down cash. But the more I learn about it, the less I am imagining it will replace DDO as my D&D video game of choice. Nevertheless, I am very much looking forward to some FR lore. If they have a good story in there it might be worth playing just for that.

It's f2p but don't you have to buy the base game?

[chance2000]

Or half elves. Or halflings. Or half orcs. Or multiclassing. With all of 4 classes so far.

Scratch half elf off the list.
http://nw.perfectworld.com/about/races
Tiefling seems interesting.
I am going to be in the beta of it and plan to check it out.
I got a beta key because I got Torchlight 2 which I enjoy.
Now Torchlight2 is not as in depth as DDO, it is enjoyable.
After you beat the 2 end bosses they give you a choice to start all over again.
All content goes up. The low level stuff becomes level 51+.
I have an Outlander and an Engineer that have already done it.
The Outlander took a route that opened new quests and the other went the other route to replay all at level 51+
They say five traditional D&D character classes
They have not really released much Neverwinter info.
http://nw.perfectworld.com/
Nothing about when the beta will go live, except early 2013.
It seems some of the delay has been caused by Atari selling Cryptic to Perfect World
and they are putting some sort of PVP in it and are working on the bugs.
More info should be out soon at a Paris game show

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

It's f2p but don't you have to buy the base game?

No. Thought you knew that Uska. All content is free. Cryptic content as well as user generated content.

Now where they will make their money is on stuff like character/inventory slots, vanity, recyclables, extra ugc slots (free slots go to the best content providers), etc.

Uska, we agree on lots, and we have much of the same concerns for the game. No guarantees I'll be a fan of the game until I actually play beta. Right now though, I'm seeing potential here I haven't seen since DDO launched over half a decade ago. I am not turning a blind eye though to the things I dislike, I can promise you that