S&B Stalwart - how much has the DPS caught up?

[Ape_Man]

So a S&B fighter/pally with capstone/zeal,the shield mastery feats, Sentinel ED, twists, and gear can get to a 34% double strike.

Glancing blows with D-axe/B-Sword adds up but I don't understand it well enough but according to wiki adds up to 50% weapons damage . . . is that right? http://ddowiki.com/page/Glancing_blow

So does that make up for the 80% off-hand attacks of having a second weapon equipped or having a two-hander?

I'm talking about Defender PRE toons as Sentinels, I'm sure it's not the case for other ED/PRE combinations.

We sort of tested this last night in a situation where things were as close to equal as we could get on short notice - one Stalwart TWFing with Khopeshes and the other S&B with a D-axe. We timed how long it took is to beat down the portal near Prey on the hunter. Both toons were using holy of smiting weapons, were at the same STR, and my human (the khopesh user) didn't use HV-damage boost because the guy with the dorf-axe didn't have that.

The TWFing stalwart beat the time of the S&B stalwart . . . by a whole 2 seconds

We had the same people in the instances so dungeon scaling was the same.

So it's looking like S&B caught up, a lot. Can somebody who's better with the numbers throw some math behind this?

[psteen1]

you may want to add in auto shield bashing DPS, which you can get with a couple of shields including the new wall of wood, and with the feat of course.

It's borked, but it still procs some, so that is some extra damage.

[Zerkul]

Building up doublestrike and glancing blows + offhand shield is a viable way to build up S&B DPS to high levels. Almost that high that you won't need to equip THF weapons anymore.

I builded my own "Dire Defender Dreadnought" this way and often, even if axe and board, i'm top kills in EE parties. I did solo as well with this character whole underdark drow series, EE of course.

PS:
I did beat down the Aussircaex Portal with a +4 Holy Burst Dwarven Axe of Smiting in 28 seconds. I can upload the vid if you want.

[Ape_Man]

PS:
I did beat down the Aussircaex Portal with a +4 Holy Burst Dwarven Axe of Smiting in 28 seconds. I can upload the vid if you want.

I believe you, we weren't quite that quick.

What ED and twists were you at the time?

BTW . .. that build looks AWESOME. I'm so stealing it. Why dorf-axe over BS? because of the crit thingy in LD?

[Zerkul]

I believe you, we weren't quite that quick.

What ED and twists were you at the time?

BTW . .. that build looks AWESOME. I'm so stealing it. Why dorf-axe over BS? because of the crit thingy in LD?

Yes Head's Man chop gives a nice boost to DPS. Against portal i had the usual Twists i always use: Sense Weakness, Legendary Shield Mastery and Shield Prowess. Destiny is LD, i run Sentinel just sometimes for EADQ2 EE and i'll run it again if i manage to build up a party on Cannith for EELOB. Everything else ingame doesnt need a sentinel to be tanked in my humble opinion.

[Ape_Man]

Everything else ingame doesnt need a sentinel to be tanked in my humble opinion.

I like the HP for Horoth elite but yeah, LD with sense weakness is a better way to fly.

[Zerkul]

I like the HP for Horoth elite but yeah, LD with sense weakness is a better way to fly.

Horoth's DOTs get mitigated from the PRR right now. Might be no WAI though not sure.

[Ranncore]

If you're building a Sword and Board stalwart for DPS, you're doing it wrong.

Your aggro matters, not your DPS. In this sense, it's important that you do at least enough DPS to keep aggro, but your real contribution to the group is not how many HP you take away from the enemy - it's how much HP you save the rest of the melee from taking.

[Ape_Man]

Horoth's DOTs get mitigated from the PRR right now. Might be no WAI though not sure.

but the disintegrate was still hitting for about 850, the HP buffer was nice.

[Zerkul]

If you're building a Sword and Board stalwart for DPS, you're doing it wrong.

Your aggro matters, not your DPS. In this sense, it's important that you do at least enough DPS to keep aggro, but your real contribution to the group is not how many HP you take away from the enemy - it's how much HP you save the rest of the melee from taking.

That's wrong, you can come on Cannith and see how DDD performs you might as well change idea.

[Ape_Man]

If you're building a Sword and Board stalwart for DPS, you're doing it wrong.

Your aggro matters, not your DPS. In this sense, it's important that you do at least enough DPS to keep aggro, but your real contribution to the group is not how many HP you take away from the enemy - it's how much HP you save the rest of the melee from taking.

But it's not an either/or at this point. What's he giving up in his build from a tanking standpoint? Maybe I'd want a feat or two in there for Intim but that's about it.

And DPS = aggro.