DPS Oriented Pally Gear U15

[maddmatt70]

Let me know what you all think and if you have any suggestions especially regarding the gear. Below is a brief outline of the build and gear.

I have a human level 20 knight of the chalice which will either be Dreadnaught or Fury of the Wild probably Dreadnaught. Stats: 16 str (level ups), 16 con 16 cha (+4 tome for 20), 14 dex (+3 tome for 17), 8 int, 8 wis. Current feats which will change at least a little:
Barbarian Past Life
two weapon fighting
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Power Attack
I crit Slash (this feat could change as I get more CITW raid weapons)
I crit Bludg
Quicken
Maximize (trying out as long as do not have endless hands might keep)
Toughness (plan to change - not sure what yet, quick draw and qualifiers for overwhelming critical possiblities.)
Can self cure serious for over 250 and have lay on hands as well as about a 60 intimidate with the gear below, but can get 70+ with different gear.

Gear:
Head: Purple Dragon Helm
Goggles: Charisma +8 w/lg guild slot w hp slotted. *only have +7 charisma atm.
Trinket: +3 insight constitution trinket Planar Focus of Prowress
Cloak: Adamantine Cloak of the Wolf * do not have yet.
Necklace: Epic Torque w/+1 charisma
Armor: Terror Chitin Breastplate +3 insight strength
Bracer: Epic bracer of hunter w/gfl
Gloves: Purple Dragon Knight
Belt: Ravager
Ring 1: oremi (+6 wis +1 con) w/78 devotion
Ring 2: Ravager (+6 str +1 str) w/20%healing amp
Boots: shroud mineral 2 +45 hit points, heavy fort, etc.

Currently: have 1 morhn hammer and a collection of khopeshes that I use.

[pie2655]

Roll a sorcerer

[Ape_Man]

No khopesh feat?

[maddmatt70]

No khopesh feat?

Fair comment, but it does not appear that I need it for to hit in game really because not seeing many misses. Prior to update 14 I had the shintao set and raven sight goggles set which gives +6 to hit. Now I have raid set and purple dragon knight which gives +7 to hit so up one there but down -4 with khopeshes so at -3. Really though not seeing many misses in game, but yeah could swap that toughness for khopesh. Really thinking from a long term perspective 2 morhns if dreadnaught or 1 raid rapier/1 morhn for other destinies would be great at least comparable to dual wield khopesh and then could have another dps feat instead of khopesh.

[cforce]

One of the less-recognized side effects of the recent combat modifications is that to-hit penalties mean a lot less than they used to. Old school, if you weren't "hitting on a 2", then each -1 to-hit translated to 5% more misses. Now, if your to-hit is, say, around 50, and you're not "hitting on a 2", -1 to-hit translates to more like 1/50 = ~2% more misses. I'm oversimplifying the math a bit, but not much.

[Ape_Man]

Fair comment, but it does not appear that I need it for to hit in game really because not seeing many misses. Prior to update 14 I had the shintao set and raven sight goggles set which gives +6 to hit. Now I have raid set and purple dragon knight which gives +7 to hit so up one there but down -4 with khopeshes so at -3. Really though not seeing many misses in game, but yeah could swap that toughness for khopesh. Really thinking from a long term perspective 2 morhns if dreadnaught or 1 raid rapier/1 morhn for other destinies would be great at least comparable to dual wield khopesh and then could have another dps feat instead of khopesh.

it's no -4 to-hit, it's -25% if not proficient.

[Purkilius]

I like it

For my taste I would splash 2 lvls of rogue for more umd and evasion, even monk as the pally is so feat starved.

Just a thought maybe ring of the stalker instead oremi´s!

It is a shame that the Ravager set is better then the KotC set for a pally, but in long boss fights the KotC set might be a little better.

Edit: I would also do the change the goggle slot to Shroud Concordant Opposition: wizardry 6, 150 sp, 6 wisdom, +5 umd but you would need a charisma ring then.

[maddmatt70]

it's no -4 to-hit, it's -25% if not proficient.

hmm is that new with update 15 because it was always -4 to hit? I just swapped in maximize for khopesh so could swap back in khopesh for the extra toughness.

[maddmatt70]

I like it

For my taste I would splash 2 lvls of rogue for more umd and evasion, even monk as the pally is so feat starved.

Just a thought maybe ring of the stalker instead oremi´s!

It is a shame that the Ravager set is better then the KotC set for a pally, but in long boss fights the KotC set might be a little better.

Well on evil outsider fights the kotc set is better for a kotc, but ravager is still good. On non evil outsiders the ravager obviously is better and that is the vast majority of content so I could make the kotc set a swap set especially for evil outsider bosses and I will do that since I have the kotc set as well.

The reason for the oremi's besides the +6 wisdom and +1 exceptional con is the devotion 78. It is extremely hard to slot devotion on a non weapon/shield on any character really and tower ring is actually one of the best places to do so especially on a ranger/paladin type where healing is slightly less important then on a cleric/fvs/druid/bard. I get the sneak attack damage from the epic bracer of the hunter and the seeker +10 from tharnes and +5 exceptional sneaker from the cloak of the wolf so not bad there.

[sandypaws]

hmm is that new with update 15 because it was always -4 to hit? I just swapped in maximize for khopesh so could swap back in khopesh for the extra toughness.

Changed with MOTU, as far as I know. If you're proficient with a weapon, you hit +25% of the time. If you're not, you don't.
(I think that's the proper interpretation, never entirely sure nowadays)

[Blank_Zero]

Proficiency is important now. I noticed a significant increase in misses on Smrti when I didn't have it, and she's max-geared with Favored enemy:Elf /EO and 60 str fulltime running in quests. It's seriously that important now.

I am currently lookig at going Khopesh fulltime with Balizarde offhand for the Planar Conflux bonus, but that is on my fighter split.

[wax_on_wax_off]

it's no -4 to-hit, it's -25% if not proficient.

There's a dev post somewhere saying that proficiency is +20% and not 25% actually.

Yes, proficiency is absolutely important now as the +% style of proficiency bonus moves the curve thatcher than slides along it so +20% ~= 4 more hits out of every 20 vs some enemies.

That said, I leveled an archer while the proficiency bug was going on and was fine for most of the life except in some specific situations but I had max gear and +10% to hit from PBS/Precision.

[emptysands]

Proficiency is important now. I noticed a significant increase in misses on Smrti when I didn't have it, and she's max-geared with Favored enemy:Elf /EO and 60 str fulltime running in quests. It's seriously that important now.

I am currently lookig at going Khopesh fulltime with Balizarde offhand for the Planar Conflux bonus, but that is on my fighter split.

Monster's to-hit vs Player: (AB + 10.5)/ AC / 2
Player's to-hit vs Monster: (AB + 10.5)/ AC / 2 + 25% nearest 5%

I think the proficiency is the "+25%". So that is a big difference.

[maddmatt70]

There's a dev post somewhere saying that proficiency is +20% and not 25% actually.

Yes, proficiency is absolutely important now as the +% style of proficiency bonus moves the curve thatcher than slides along it so +20% ~= 4 more hits out of every 20 vs some enemies.

That said, I leveled an archer while the proficiency bug was going on and was fine for most of the life except in some specific situations but I had max gear and +10% to hit from PBS/Precision.

I was running a CITW and I can tell the misses where definitely less then 25%. 20% seems possible but even that seemed high. I will be swapping that toughness feat for khopesh regardless because missing is a bad thing really, but I am skeptical that the numbers are as high as the posters here state.

[Lord_WC]

I was running a CITW and I can tell the misses where definitely less then 25%. 20% seems possible but even that seemed high. I will be swapping that toughness feat for khopesh regardless because missing is a bad thing really, but I am skeptical that the numbers are as high as the posters here state.

If you check the post above you:

Monster's to-hit vs Player: (AB + 10.5)/ AC / 2
Player's to-hit vs Monster: (AB + 10.5)/ AC / 2 + 25% nearest 5%

I think the proficiency is the "+25%". So that is a big difference.

You get the answer.

If you want to hit the same ac non-proficient with the same chance as a proficient guy, you will need higher AB. I don't say this can't be done, but it's rather tedious. The exact amount is half of the enemy AC, so for 10 AC, you will need 5 more AB, for 40, 20 more AB, for 80, 40 AB, and so on.

The effect is negligible on low levels, however it is extremely important on high levels. So taking kopesh feat up at lvl15 is fine, not taking up at all and wanting to run EE -> gimping yourself in situations when DPS would be paramount. You probably can scrape by on EN without the proficiency, as everyone's AB is just an overkill there. However when hitting starts to be an issue, you would have to work extremely hard (to the point of impossible against high-AC mobs).

To put it into another perspective, let's say you have 60 AB, and going against a 30, 60 and 80 AC mob.

Against 30 AC, proficient or not you will have 95% hit chance.
Against 60 AC, you have 85% hit chance with proficiency and 60% unproficient, you roughly lose 30% dps.
Against 80 AC, you have 70% hit chance with proficiency and 45% unproficient, you rougly lose 36% dps.

[emptysands]

I was running a CITW and I can tell the misses where definitely less then 25%. 20% seems possible but even that seemed high. I will be swapping that toughness feat for khopesh regardless because missing is a bad thing really, but I am skeptical that the numbers are as high as the posters here state.

Actually one post commented that it's actually +20% not +25% on Live at the moment.

[78mackson]

There's a dev post somewhere saying that proficiency is +20% and not 25% actually.

Had no idea about this, but it makes sense -- Turbine at its best, inconsistent; you can count on us!

Thanks for the information!