Stalwart Defender 18/2 fighter rogue

[akiraproject24]

So this build was great and I could fit EVERYTHING in I planned to...prior to U14. Now with some new gear plans...I am seriously beating my brain trying to figure out how to get everything on the toon. So far swapping to Red scale armor (probably Hide) seems a sweet idea at first....till I then try and figure how to recoup what I lost...its a total trickle effect that when I look back ....I say to myself "was it worth losing this that and the other thing for a minimul gain here and there and minimal losses here and there to boot"?

So Ill try and post what is current then post what I want to swap with and add the benefits and losses in such a swap in an attempt to get ideas how to maybe regain my losses.

Wrekkin
18 fighter 2 rogue

Head-Epic Chimeras Crown(not slotted currently)/Helm of frost (I rarely swapped to the Helm of frost it gave set bonus at loss of 20 Hp and 5 nat armor)
Trinket-Epic Brawns spirits w/good luck slotted
Bracers-Tharaak bracers/Conc opp +5 cha skills/blindnessimmunity(only used in max inim situations)
Cloak-epic envenomed (not slotted currently)
Neck-Epic grims(not slotted currently)
Goggles-GS Min 2 HP (had GS smoke hp but swapped to min 2 when decided the occult slayer set was beneficial and can wand blur if i want to)
Armor-Epic duelist Leathers w+7 slotted
Belt-Vornes belt (occult set +2 reflex and will)
Gloves-Epic spectrals (not slotted)
Ring 1-Morganas with +2 insight str slotted (wanted the wisdom and +1 exc str as well)
Ring 2-Gnawed with 20% Healing amp slotted (provides my +1 exc con as well)
Boots-Epic Boots of Corrosion (not slotted currently)
Shield-Epic Swashbuckler +7 slotted
Weapon-Epic chimeras fang good slotted

Feats (no particular order)
CE
Dodge (orignally pre U14 was hamstring)
Imp crit slash
Shield mastery
Imp shield mastery
THF,ITHF,GTHF
PA
Quick Draw
SF intim
Toughness 4 times

Feats I think I got a handle on Im dropping 2 toughness for Spring attack and mobility and will either drop quick draw or another toughness for Whirlwind attack. I feel whirlwind attack is a good feat especially if tanking mobs in EE. I really like the way quick draw kills a lot of the lag produced when swapping gear. I dont need the toon to be max HP but would like to hang around 1000-1100 I feel the defensive benefits will outweigh the xtra 200ish hp I will lose from max hp. My issue is gear and on to that.

Ok so first I want to swap the eduelist leathers to Red Hide (thats the light version?)
here I pick up seeker 10 prot/resistance 6 and toughness and I believe more PRR than the Epic duelist?
But I lose +4% dodge Epic nimbleness balance 15. I dont care about balance so much as I have plenty and can afford to lose it. The dodge kinda blows to lose but will gain another 2 from spring attack. So -2%dodge. I thought about picking up a seal of dunrobar...but I lose 20% healing amp and +1 exc con and lose +2 reflex/will. Or I lose +3 str if i drop my morganas. Looked at dropping the envenomed for the epic cloak of night. Which with red armor I can drop tharaak bracers completely. I like the concealment changes and want to incorporate it on Wrekkin and have a cloak of night in bank.
I figure losing the 7 con dropping e envenomed cloak is made up with purple dragon night helm which will cause me to lose the 24 hp from E chimeras crown. No biggie? But now Im losing 24 hp from helm and the 25 hp per toughness Im dropping...totaling 74-99 hp loss (actually more due to stalwart) depending if I drop 2 or 3 toughnesses to aquire whirlwind attack. Now Im also wanting to change to a large shield from either the challenges (if they ever become static) or that sexy wall of wood in upcoming content. Here I lose my insighful dex 2. So I considered the woodsmans boots as they have that dex on em for me yay! But Ive now given up 6 precious slots and +7 dex and perm ghost touch. Gained 30% healing amp +3 damage, lost 1 to hit and do not have charisma anywhere. Well Ive finally got all these thoughts into some unorganized writing. Feel free to comment any ideas or feel free to squelch me too if this is annoyingly garbled lol. I know im kinda just blastin it out as I think of it. Time will tell what finally happens. It will prolly be 2 years before I have my 3 heroic commendations to make the armor anyhow. Laters

[akiraproject24]

Just reallized PDK helm has Insightful str 2 on it...makes things a tad easier.

[emptysands]

Head-Epic Chimeras Crown(not slotted currently)/Helm of frost (I rarely swapped to the Helm of frost it gave set bonus at loss of 20 Hp and 5 nat armor)
Cloak-epic envenomed (not slotted currently)
Boots-Epic Boots of Corrosion (not slotted currently)

3-pcs Abishai set has profane +3 NAC/STR bonus. The NAC bonus on the Chimera's Crown can be replaced by barkskin (spell or pot).

Also Mobility with +2 MDB and 2% dodge is probably better than one Toughness.

You can switch to Ring of Dun'Robar for 4% dodge, +2 STR/CON and one tactical boost.

[akiraproject24]

3-pcs Abishai set has profane +3 NAC/STR bonus. The NAC bonus on the Chimera's Crown can be replaced by barkskin (spell or pot).

Also Mobility with +2 MDB and 2% dodge is probably better than one Toughness.

You can switch to Ring of Dun'Robar for 4% dodge, +2 STR/CON and one tactical boost.

Yes I am pretty certain that once I swap the Duelist leathers to Red Hide I will take the Mobility feat not to mention I think it is one of the prereqs for whirlwind which I also want to work in. I may have found a way to drop morganas ring and possibly slot a dunrobar ring there. The morganas ring only purpose was the wisdom 6 and Exc str1 insightful str 2. If i find a place to slot +1 exc str or eat a +4 str tome...I can drop this ring completely for a dunrobar. After getting all these thoughts down in writing options started becoming more clear. Cant wait to start seeing em all through

Thanks for reading!

[smithj_2020]

This is the same build that I currently have....couple of things I do; (keep in mind tier 5 unyielding sentinel)

Tank Mode:
eHelm of Frost - GFL
eEnvenomed Cloak - Toughness
eBoots of Corrosion - nothing Slotted Currently
eBrawns Spirits - +2 good luck
eCavalry Plate - Heavy Fort Slotted
eGloves of the Claw
Epic Bracers of Wind (T1) - 3% dodge
eChimeras Fang - Nothing Slotted Currently
eRing of Silver Concord - +6 Int (trap bonus stuff) can swap for Dun'Robar - +10 shatter (dont do alot tho)
Cinders Band - 20% heal Amp
Stalwart Necklace -
eKundarak Warding Shield - +6 Dex
GS Goggles - +6 CHA/DEX skills
GS HP belt - earth III
not tanking:
Epic Duelist Leathers - (T3) for Cav Plate of course
eChim Fang for eKundarak shield


Those are about all that I switch out..... My AC raid buffed is 125+ i believe (CE mode also), I find tanking ToD hard/elite is pretty simple, eHard Chrono is a joke (tank no problem but dont really need to), I actually dont find myself getting hit much in epic hards....

Stats: Before buffs & pots
STR- 44
DEX- 25
CON- 38
INT- 20
WIS- 12
CHA- 23

AC: 111 (w/ shield)
PRR: 75
Fort: 42
Reflex: 35
Will: 25
Intim - 88

When I have time to buff myself and things I can give and AC total and rest, but that is the gear that I use and seems to work nicely....

Also - Human, with Human Healing amp II for enhance, additional healing amp for tanking, have 30%, 20%, 10%, 20%= 1.3*1.2*1.2*1.1= 205% heal amp, seems to do pretty well.

[maddmatt70]

18 paladin 2 monk some of this gear I do not have
Helm: Frost
Goggles: shroud +6 cha skills, spell points
Trinket: Prowress +3 insightful con
Necklace: Min 2 +45 hp
Cloak: Bear u15
Armor: Corymyrian light armor
Bracer: lvl 16 Wind Bracer 3/% dodge w/ +1 dodge crafted
Glove: epic charged gauntlet
Belt: Syberis
Ring1: Circle of Hatred
Ring 2: Syberis w/ 20% healing amp
Boots: Corrision
Weapon : New raid Rapier
Shield: Wall of Wood u15

Hate: 15% 20% 30%
Healing Amp: 20% 30%
Note: I am seeking to get rid of the abashi set in the future just the slots are kind of limited atthe moment.

[Faent]

My 18/2 Helf Stalwart III FTR/MNK *was* aiming for:

Goggles: +6 CHA Skills GS Goggles
Helm: Epic Helm of Frost (slotted: GFL)
Necklace: Stalwart Necklace (15% Incite w/set--ring below)
Trinket: Epic Brawn Spirits (10% Incite, Intim +20)
Cloak : Epic Envenomed Cloak (slotted: Toughness)
Belt: Mineral II GS 45 HP Belt
Ring: Cinder's Band (slotted: 20% Healing Amplification)
Ring: Upgraded Circle of Hatred (Incite 30%)
Gloves: Epic Gloves of the Claw (Healing Amplification 30%)
Boots : Epic Boots of Corrosion (slotted: Luck +2, +6 DEX)
Bracers: Epic Bracers of the Claw (Heavy Fort with Gloves of the Claw above)
Armor: Parasitic Breastplate (slotted: +10 REF)
Weapon: Epic Chimera's Fang
Shields: Crafted / Epic Swashbuckler

I capped him today on his final life and he's currently in:

Goggles: Mentau's Goggles
Helm: Epic Chimera's Crown
Necklace: Finger Necklace
Trinket: Epic Brawn Spirits (10% Incite, Intim +20)
Cloak : Tough Cloak
Belt: Mineral II GS 45 HP Belt
Ring: +6 Lootgen CON
Ring: Trash (Katra's Razor Wit currently)
Gloves: Fabricator's Gauntlets
Boots : Madstone Boots
Bracers: Fabricator's Bracers
Armor: Parasitic Breastplate (slotted: +10 REF) / DT Heal Amp
Weapon: Epic Chimera's Fang
Shield: Epic Swashbuckler

Still a way to go, but very pleased with the build given that I just capped him a few hours ago and he's not in anywhere close to his ideal gearset yet. In the current setup, and counting only ship buffs and GH, Intim is 61 . HP is 850-896. AC is 75. Heal Amp is 174% in Parasitic Breastplate, and much higher in DT. REF save is 40. STR is 42. Balance is 54 (way too high). Doublestrike is 14%. I think I'll be happy with him once I get him to 25, pick up Unyielding Sentinel, finish the above planned gearset and LR him to pick up some now better feats.

Due to diminishing returns, I don't plan to focus on AC too much. I think I'm going to pick up some Dodge feats instead. And perhaps SF: Intim. Still thinking on this one.

[Isolani]

Yes I am pretty certain that once I swap the Duelist leathers to Red Hide I will take the Mobility feat not to mention I think it is one of the prereqs for whirlwind which I also want to work in. I may have found a way to drop morganas ring and possibly slot a dunrobar ring there. The morganas ring only purpose was the wisdom 6 and Exc str1 insightful str 2. If i find a place to slot +1 exc str or eat a +4 str tome...I can drop this ring completely for a dunrobar. After getting all these thoughts down in writing options started becoming more clear. Cant wait to start seeing em all through

Thanks for reading!

Ugg, don't take whirlwind. I tried it when U14 first came because I had a character with all the prereqs already. It's horrible, the animation is ridiculously long, then after the animation you just stand there unable to attack for another second or two. Not to mention, only your mainhand weapon hits even though you are whirling around with both weapons on a twf character. Anyway, it sounds like a neat feat, but in practice it doesn't really work quite right.

Also, have you looked into Hide of the Goristro, might be another option for you for light armor.

[akiraproject24]

Ugg, don't take whirlwind. I tried it when U14 first came because I had a character with all the prereqs already. It's horrible, the animation is ridiculously long, then after the animation you just stand there unable to attack for another second or two. Not to mention, only your mainhand weapon hits even though you are whirling around with both weapons on a twf character. Anyway, it sounds like a neat feat, but in practice it doesn't really work quite right.

Also, have you looked into Hide of the Goristro, might be another option for you for light armor.

I looked at the Hide of the Goristro. It can solve a slot issue but tends to create another 2 in the process. I did take whirlwind yesterday (I had yet to read this post) I like the base damage from it but I see what you are saying about just standing there for a moment after it takes place. Its like you are catching your breath or something. My thoughts on the feat were jump into mobs intim then whirlwind to get damage on all of em quickly. I may spec it back out though seeing how long the animation is.

[akiraproject24]

18 paladin 2 monk some of this gear I do not have
Helm: Frost
Goggles: shroud +6 cha skills, spell points
Trinket: Prowress +3 insightful con
Necklace: Min 2 +45 hp
Cloak: Bear u15
Armor: Corymyrian light armor
Bracer: lvl 16 Wind Bracer 3/% dodge w/ +1 dodge crafted
Glove: epic charged gauntlet
Belt: Syberis
Ring1: Circle of Hatred
Ring 2: Syberis w/ 20% healing amp
Boots: Corrision
Weapon : New raid Rapier
Shield: Wall of Wood u15

Hate: 15% 20% 30%
Healing Amp: 20% 30%
Note: I am seeking to get rid of the abashi set in the future just the slots are kind of limited atthe moment.

Like the use of the wind bracers there...never even thought of that. Probably gonna keep the grims bracelet and retain that green slot. I know Im gonna need it for probably charisma. Ive gotten a dex6 belt of greater false life...Aiming for +7 or +8 DEX belt of greater or even superior false life if the combos are possible. Working very hard to keep dex at 40. Its more of a personal goal lol than anything super important really. Build wont have Dodge 1% anywhere unfortunately but will be at a 20% dodge out of max 22% which isnt bad. Adding in the concealment from cloak of night and again not sure on finished ac numbers (so much to take into account raid buffs/twists/boosts) but normal sustainable ac should provide 70% ish miss chance. I too am dropping most if not all of the abishai items and am finding it painful as had critical stats in place or planned to be in place. Its doable though and having fun with it thus far.

[Isolani]

I looked at the Hide of the Goristro. It can solve a slot issue but tends to create another 2 in the process. I did take whirlwind yesterday (I had yet to read this post) I like the base damage from it but I see what you are saying about just standing there for a moment after it takes place. Its like you are catching your breath or something. My thoughts on the feat were jump into mobs intim then whirlwind to get damage on all of em quickly. I may spec it back out though seeing how long the animation is.

Yeah, for a tank maybe whirlwind is ok, you get some damage on a bunch of mobs to open things up. But cleave and great cleave can do the same thing without the big pause afterwards. If they work on the animation and get rid of that pause, it will be a feat worth considering at least.

[akiraproject24]

One thing I found out to my dismay lat night was that the Red Armors are not applicable to the PDK set bonus. I felt the set would be a huge + when factoring in either a) losing the +4 damage from claw set or b)the +4 to hit from epic spectrals.

The theme Im noticing when regearing a tank (at least my tank)
is that you arent really improving on anything. Basically you swap around and aquire a ton of new gear to end up bumping a few things up, but in the process you bump just as many things down. Regearing is seeming just regearing and not really improving.


Another gear related issue (very side tracked here) Im noticing is that every belt with +7 or +8 dex on it only contains balance as a suffix. I know belts drop with +7/+8 dex as prefix but Im starting to doubt they drop with anything other than some form of balance as a suffix.