what happened to the fun called PUG

[Talakitok]

It never was intended for TR's only.

Again, your post says "make people play with me the way I want to play- take away their bonuses so they can run hard or normal with me."

Nothing stops you from playing hard or normal. Just put up a group and go. Insisting that other people should stop running elite and put up hard and normal LFM's because that is what you would rather run is a little much, don't you think?

Sorry if it seems harsh, because I don't mean it to be... I really am trying to make a point. You can run hard and normal any time. You don't have to restrict other people's fun to do it.

yeah.. no problem here... got your point..

... now where is my chocolate?! =)

[Galeria]

No chocolate. Just socks.

[Galeria]

Ok, I felt bad about the socks. How about I just buy you a drink?

[Viisari]

The problem isn't the bravery bonus, it's the minority of players that are so ignorant of XP mechanics that they believe breaking a streak is hurting their overall XP, and so arrogant that they refuse to run quests below elite.

Breaking an elite streak and maintaining a hard one costs you about 7000 XP in reduced future XP payouts at high level (25/25/25/20/10% of base XP on your next 5 quests if you do them all on elite, most quests are <7000 base XP). Doing a Hard run of a quest might take 5 minutes and pay 15k XP.

The people that won't ever break streak are as stupid as the people that join a 20 minute quest they had no intention of running when it is 1 minute before completion, then recall out 'because of the -80%'.



And as for facts - I post LFMs often for sub-elite difficulties and people join them. They fill faster than LFMs for notoriously difficult elite quests like Power Play or Bastion of Power.

That's only true for >lvl 17 quests though, there's little to no reason to break BB before those levels, in fact, I don't think I've broken it even once before Reaver's Reach since BB was introduced.

I do find the OP kinda strange though considering that just yesterday when I was checking the LFM's while leveling (lvl 6) most of them were for hard and had level ranges selected that would prevent bravery bonus.

[Thundaga]

Someone may have said this already, but I'm too tired and lazy to read the thread.

How about making bravery bonus apply only to TR's? Rename it, "Reincarnated Bonus." What's the big rush to get to level 20 (or 25 now, I suppose) anyway?

[al73r]

Someone may have said this already, but I'm too tired and lazy to read the thread.

How about making bravery bonus apply only to TR's? Rename it, "Reincarnated Bonus." What's the big rush to get to level 20 (or 25 now, I suppose) anyway?

To tr again so yeah that is the big rush...

[barakhiel]

Admittedly, I am one of those players partly at fault for this dedication to the elite streak... About a month ago, I had TR'd my Bbn back into a Pal and did not break streak once until after 20; myself and a guildy would throw up the LFM and start 2-manning the quests, and we did tell players who seemed to be unable to handle elite that they should wait at the entrance of the dungeon until we finished so we could also get our 10%

The major reason, at least on my part, to hold such a strong devotion to the elite streak is because the devs not only nerfed but flat out assaulted, brutalized, and destroyed the base XP of so many of the high XP per minute quests. (Please note Litany of the Dead base XP prior to BB and post BB)

It was only through this bravery bonus that I was able to take the Pally from 1 to 20 on his 5th life in 4 days...

[eris2323]

I tire of people complaining about the leet streak and not being able to group...ever hear of making some friends? Make some then run with them and stop relying on other people to get everything done for you...

Agreed. Sick of people trying to take away something I enjoy because THEY are lacking.

Also, you could find a guild.

Just c'mon, people. Stop asking for nerfs. Seriously.

YOU are not forced to use bravery bonus. NO ONE IS.

*I* love it. Why should I be penalized because you can't make friends?

[Thundaga]

Well, to be fair, the thread is supposed to be focused on PUG, not on over all grouping. Not everyone has time to make friends or get themselves devoted to a guild or static group. Some people like to log on and quickly join a random group for a few short runs before logging off for other business.

It's not like they're complaining for no good reason. And what's wrong with compromising with people who are lacking what you have (in this case time and in-game friends)? Are you so selfish that you'd demand things stay the way they are just so you can continue having your fun? Come on now...

[mons]

Well, to be fair, the thread is supposed to be focused on PUG, not on over all grouping. Not everyone has time to make friends or get themselves devoted to a guild or static group. Some people like to log on and quickly join a random group for a few short runs before logging off for other business.

It's not like they're complaining for no good reason. And what's wrong with compromising with people who are lacking what you have (in this case time and in-game friends)? Are you so selfish that you'd demand things stay the way they are just so you can continue having your fun? Come on now...

Come on what? its their dollar and their time, why should their fun be nerfed because it doesnt equate to someone else's idea of fun?

[Thundaga]

It goes both ways. Why should you continue to have fun while others struggle to play? It wasn't like this before. The BB system is to blame. Personally I like the BB system, but I'm open-minded enough to understand the plight of those who are being alienated by it. And for what? So you can hit end-game faster? The destination is not greater than the journey.

Frankly, the BB system is not a new player-friendly system. I'm not suggesting they get rid of it, but something needs to be changed to satisfy both parties.

[TreknaQudane]

It goes both ways. Why should you continue to have fun while others struggle to play? It wasn't like this before. The BB system is to blame. Personally I like the BB system, but I'm open-minded enough to understand the plight of those who are being alienated by it. And for what? So you can hit end-game faster? The destination is not greater than the journey.

Frankly, the BB system is not a new player-friendly system. I'm not suggesting they get rid of it, but something needs to be changed to satisfy both parties.

What makes you think I want a helpless newbie in my party when I do a quest on Elite? Just because they're not getting into a group now doesn't mean they would have gotten into it anyway.

If you want to 'enjoy' the journey, run normal and casual using the public grouping system.

[Galeria]

I would be curious to see the actual data from Turbine.

For the past week or two, it's been difficult to find an elite anything. Many many more norms and hard runs up than I've probably seen, ever.

I wonder if it's the trap/spell damage on elite?

[Saravis]

And for what? So you can hit end-game faster?

I consider that an added bonus, the real advantage to BB, is so that one can run an assortment of quests and not the same quests
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

[eris2323]

I consider that an added bonus, the real advantage to BB, is so that one can run an assortment of quests and not the same quests
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

That, is exactly why. Do them all once on elite, and done.

Repeating quests annoys me; I know, as a TR, I'll have to. But bravery bonus allows me to run any quest I want, even sub-par exp ones, and still get a little bonus from it.

It's great for favor, too

I really don't think removing the bravery bonus, and adding more grind to peoples lives (first life or not, it's still a grind) is a good idea.

And it really surprises me when I see players ask for more grind.

[gphysalis]

The only solution I can think of to make everyone happy would be to remove Bravery Bonus and incorporate it into the First time for doing a difficulty bonus

[eris2323]

The only solution I can think of to make everyone happy would be to remove Bravery Bonus and incorporate it into the First time for doing a difficulty bonus

That would not make me happy.

[gphysalis]

That would not make me happy.

Why not?

[eris2323]

Why not?

Because I enjoy the bravery bonus, in its current incarnation.

[Thundaga]

Just because they're not getting into a group now doesn't mean they would have gotten into it anyway.

Does this make sense to anyone? I must be tired. Could you elaborate?