what happened to the fun called PUG

[Talakitok]

OK i'm so dissapointed of what happening now on thelanis.. before you can pick up a group doing normal, hard or elite.. nobody is missing out on anything.. then came this BB streak, o yeah i'm still good.. but clock is ticking lfm all looking for elite opener, don't bother to join if you can;t keep up,, BB on streak.. say what.. 6 out 7 lfm within lvl are all saying this.. ok i join one group, "hey man can you open elite, err no..i'm hoping you could" after 15 min. of waiting u are now the party leader with 2 party member, ok still good.. after 10 sec. now ur the only one.. oh man! not again.. and now with all the content coming all people doing this elite streak, hoping after 2 to 3 days they are level 8, then starts whining i wanna get stoned..
Fun is Gone... its frustrating, i hope they can restrict this BB on the TR's, not the normal guys.. i need to talk to someone, not a hierling that most often than not, is like a ******.. running around, standing to one place even though ogres already raping her.. now with the greater/lesser tomes of learning do we really need this BB streak.. hopefully they restrict this one to TR..

[gerardIII]

I read all of it holding my breath.

This is a new issue ... BB should be nerfed.

[Thrudh]

Heh, interesting... All the vets who normally TR are playing level 21-25 content...

So all the level 6 new people are standing around waiting for an elite opener?

Run it on hard or normal then. A hard streak on a first-life player still gives you plenty of exp.

You don't need an elite streak to advance quickly as a first-life character (or even single TR character). The elite streak is intended for 2+ TR characters who need twice as much exp as a first life character.

[Forzah]

Heh, interesting... All the vets who normally TR are playing level 21-25 content...

So all the level 6 new people are standing around waiting for an elite opener?

Run it on hard or normal then. A hard streak on a first-life player still gives you plenty of exp.

You don't need an elite streak to advance quickly as a first-life character (or even single TR character). The elite streak is intended for 2+ TR characters who need twice as much exp as a first life character.

Just the fact that BB is there limits people a lot. Imo it's better to remove bravery altogether and increase base quest xp by 10-20%. Then you aren't forced to run elite first.

[danotmano1998]

Then you aren't forced to run elite first.

This is the fallacy that should be brought out and discussed.

Elite isn't necessary in any way, shape, or form.
It is entirely optional. Entirely. You can play, level, cap, epic, get gear, and do anything in the game without ever entering a single quest on elite.

[Forzah]

This is the fallacy that should be brought out and discussed.

Elite isn't necessary in any way, shape, or form.
It is entirely optional. Entirely. You can play, level, cap, epic, get gear, and do anything in the game without ever entering a single quest on elite.

It is optional, but in practice hardly anyone regards it as optional. People want to run elite first for that streak bonus, even though it is unnecessary. I find it really annoying to lose the XP bonus in the future when I play one time on normal. It would be better if BB didn't exist, so we can play the game in the order we want without being held back by a loss of future XP.

[danotmano1998]

It is optional, but in practice hardly anyone regards it as optional. People want to run elite first for that streak bonus, even though it is unnecessary. I find it really annoying to lose the XP bonus in the future when I play one time on normal. It would be better if BB didn't exist, so we can play the game in the order we want without being held back by a loss of future XP.

Here's the thing, though..

On my first life Artificer, I found that running a Hard Streak isn't nearly as gratifying, but the numbers add up fast and I was bypassing large potions of content as I leveled faster than I could play them.

I also found that putting up hard pugs ended up filling pretty quickly as I put a "IP, byoh" and just got started right away without waiting around. There were lots of people trying to do quests without the elite stigma, but for some reason just never thought to put up their own LFM, or didn't want to.

(Granted, this is based off my own personal experiences, which do not necessarily reflect the majority. These are based off of the Thelanis server, playing at typically the same times and days. Maybe I'm in the minority and don't even know it!)

[hiryuu42]

This is the fallacy that should be brought out and discussed.

Elite isn't necessary in any way, shape, or form.
It is entirely optional. Entirely. You can play, level, cap, epic, get gear, and do anything in the game without ever entering a single quest on elite.

Two points on this:
1. Elite gives more favor, and favor rewards are often substantial. Running on less than Elite means dooming future me into running it again, rather than one-and-done.

2. If you give humans a scoring/rating system, they will attempt to maximize their score, even with no further incentive. This phenomenon has even spilled back into the real world as Gamification. Since running less than Elite screws your score now and in the next five quests, many people refuse to do it, even preferring to run nothing at all.

[al73r]

Heh, interesting... All the vets who normally TR are playing level 21-25 content...

So all the level 6 new people are standing around waiting for an elite opener?

Run it on hard or normal then. A hard streak on a first-life player still gives you plenty of exp.

You don't need an elite streak to advance quickly as a first-life character (or even single TR character). The elite streak is intended for 2+ TR characters who need twice as much exp as a first life character.

Heh, I beg to differ sir! I have like 20+ lives left!

Alter

[Tembyr]

I would like to point out that while the posters here might be correct, the OP seems to indicate he doesn't mind to do quests on lower difficulty levels, but that he can't find anyone to run quests with him, because the offering in the LFM panel is only for elite quests without the elite opener.

To the OP: perhaps - but you might have tried - you could start your own parties and put up a LFM for normal quests? There are probably more players who think like you.

[DaSawks]

Here is my solution to your problem. Completely ignore BB and everyone who "needs" to maintane streaks. I run what I can based on my abilities. I would never imagine running most quests on Elite at level. I am never in a rush to hit cap. I enjoy quests for what they are. A place to have fun. BB be dambed.

[Galeria]

ok i join one group, "hey man can you open elite, err no..i'm hoping you could" after 15 min. of waiting u are now the party leader with 2 party member, ok still good.. after 10 sec. now ur the only one.. oh man! not again...

So subscribe to VIP and open any difficulty you want. Hoping to ride off someone else's elite opening status means you wait.

Fun is Gone... its frustrating, i hope they can restrict this BB on the TR's, not the normal guys..

Yes, please force everyone to play the way I want them to play. Because I can't be bothered to put up an LFM for what I want to do. Make everyone else play the stuff I want them to play at the difficulty I want them to do.

Here's the thing, Talakitok... no one makes people run quests on elite. No one makes you run quests on elite. If you join a party, you are at the mercy of that party leader's desire to run elite and mooch off of someone who has paid/put in the time to be able to run elite.

Don't like it? Make your own LFMs.

No one joins your LFM? Maybe because other people enjoy running on elite. If your "fun" depends on other people to put it together for you and lead the way you want to lead, you are going to continue to be disappointed.

[Talakitok]

So subscribe to VIP and open any difficulty you want. Hoping to ride off someone else's elite opening status means you wait.

Yes, please force everyone to play the way I want them to play. Because I can't be bothered to put up an LFM for what I want to do. Make everyone else play the stuff I want them to play at the difficulty I want them to do.

Don't like it? Make your own LFMs.

i'm a subscriber before, i did my dues.. but already bought all the packs there is, even bought collectors edition for the new expansion.. so subscription ended, I mean not all people who played this game on a VIP status.. if it so then they should not release it as F2P in first place.. its a frustration blog, my concern or shall we say my point is the 'Bravery Bonus"should be restricted to TR as they were intended to do.. why do you think the Devs brought that BB idea on the first place, coz of the frustration of the TR 3rd lifer same as what i post.. Man get chill, no one makin u read this, it's for the people who has same frustration as i am, and maybe, just maybe Devs will take notice and do some brainstorming to evaluate things, not necessarily they will totally abandone the idea but i know they will think of something.. The point is i put also LFM but grouping is hard now AS COMPARE BEFORE without BB, i don't expect you to admit it.. but for most of us non-VIP does.. anyway all good, i was frustrated during that time.. now back to playing, hope to see you at the game, after all we are all family in Thelanis right..

just saying.. to the one who say's he hates people complaining all the time about this idea of having LFM.. man can you really say that, while complaining that you hate people that are complaining.. then you are no different still a complainer,, anyway peace bro, hope all is good.. i love Thelanis, never played in any server, except on my first week of doing DDO.. thanks for the replies all, its my first post.. nice community out here! =)

[Galeria]

my concern or shall we say my point is the 'Bravery Bonus"should be restricted to TR as they were intended to do..

It never was intended for TR's only.

Again, your post says "make people play with me the way I want to play- take away their bonuses so they can run hard or normal with me."

Nothing stops you from playing hard or normal. Just put up a group and go. Insisting that other people should stop running elite and put up hard and normal LFM's because that is what you would rather run is a little much, don't you think?

Sorry if it seems harsh, because I don't mean it to be... I really am trying to make a point. You can run hard and normal any time. You don't have to restrict other people's fun to do it.

[Talakitok]

It never was intended for TR's only.

Again, your post says "make people play with me the way I want to play- take away their bonuses so they can run hard or normal with me."

Nothing stops you from playing hard or normal. Just put up a group and go. Insisting that other people should stop running elite and put up hard and normal LFM's because that is what you would rather run is a little much, don't you think?

Sorry if it seems harsh, because I don't mean it to be... I really am trying to make a point. You can run hard and normal any time. You don't have to restrict other people's fun to do it.

yeah.. no problem here... got your point..

... now where is my chocolate?! =)

[Thundaga]

Someone may have said this already, but I'm too tired and lazy to read the thread.

How about making bravery bonus apply only to TR's? Rename it, "Reincarnated Bonus." What's the big rush to get to level 20 (or 25 now, I suppose) anyway?

[barakhiel]

Admittedly, I am one of those players partly at fault for this dedication to the elite streak... About a month ago, I had TR'd my Bbn back into a Pal and did not break streak once until after 20; myself and a guildy would throw up the LFM and start 2-manning the quests, and we did tell players who seemed to be unable to handle elite that they should wait at the entrance of the dungeon until we finished so we could also get our 10%

The major reason, at least on my part, to hold such a strong devotion to the elite streak is because the devs not only nerfed but flat out assaulted, brutalized, and destroyed the base XP of so many of the high XP per minute quests. (Please note Litany of the Dead base XP prior to BB and post BB)

It was only through this bravery bonus that I was able to take the Pally from 1 to 20 on his 5th life in 4 days...

[Thundaga]

Well, to be fair, the thread is supposed to be focused on PUG, not on over all grouping. Not everyone has time to make friends or get themselves devoted to a guild or static group. Some people like to log on and quickly join a random group for a few short runs before logging off for other business.

It's not like they're complaining for no good reason. And what's wrong with compromising with people who are lacking what you have (in this case time and in-game friends)? Are you so selfish that you'd demand things stay the way they are just so you can continue having your fun? Come on now...

[Thundaga]

It goes both ways. Why should you continue to have fun while others struggle to play? It wasn't like this before. The BB system is to blame. Personally I like the BB system, but I'm open-minded enough to understand the plight of those who are being alienated by it. And for what? So you can hit end-game faster? The destination is not greater than the journey.

Frankly, the BB system is not a new player-friendly system. I'm not suggesting they get rid of it, but something needs to be changed to satisfy both parties.

[gphysalis]

The only solution I can think of to make everyone happy would be to remove Bravery Bonus and incorporate it into the First time for doing a difficulty bonus