brainstorm: lvl 4 Elven AA fighter AA 6 paladin of the Chalice 10 Dark monk

[mrszabo]

Hi Adventurers!

I would like to share my idea about a particular dark monk/pala version mixed elven AA. My 2nd life toon is dark monk pala and i very like it so i dont want to choose Ranger, but I havent play AA yet and I would like to try it. Please share your opinions:

adv.:
- Bows as Ki weapons - AA +5 Imbue Force Burst Arrows
- Dark monk Touch of Death, Ninja Spy I
- Fighter Haste Boost I + 2 Feats (Manyshot, IC: Ranged*)
- Monk Improved Evasion, Lawful strike
- Paladin self healing/offensive dps enchantments, high saves + immunity (Lays, Divine Might/Sacrifice, Unyielding Sovereignty)
- Paladin save bonuses + Knight of Chalice bonuses
- Bulwark of Good/ Monk Wisdom Ac bonuses

disadv.:
- need 36 pts.
- no Stunning Fist
- only two tier 1 prest.
- only 1st stances
- no Umd, few skill points
* i dont know which feat is better IC Ranged/Bludgeoing Weapon

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(4 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 10 Monk) 
Hit Points: 300
Spell Points: 270 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 19
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    24
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               14                    20
Charisma             13                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    30
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         5                    25
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate            1                     5
Jump                  3                    15
Listen                2                     7
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     2
Spot                  2                     7
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host

Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I

Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I

Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I

Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I

Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind

Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II

Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Porous Soul
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Winter's Touch

Level 11 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows

Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I

Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows

Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Touch of Death

Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Automatic) Curse of the Void
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful
Feat: (Automatic) Moment of Clarity
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

[Olath_Senger]

Smites and Divine Sacrifice don't work with bows, if you're planning on using them together.

Not sure I like the level split... Why not 12 Monk/6 Paladin/2 Fighter?

I highly suggest putting points into UMD. With the decent Charisma score you'll have, it would be a shame not to use it.

Try fitting Manyshot somewhere before level 10, or else your ranged DPS will be pretty horrible.

[mrszabo]

Smites and Divine Sacrifice don't work with bows, if you're planning on using them together.

Not sure I like the level split... Why not 12 Monk/6 Paladin/2 Fighter?

+2 Fighter lvl gives +1 Feat = IC: Ranged and +1 Str
but it could be an alternative choosing +2 Monk to get +1 stance and Abundant Step

I highly suggest putting points into UMD. With the decent Charisma score you'll have, it would be a shame not to use it.

Try fitting Manyshot somewhere before level 10, or else your ranged DPS will be pretty horrible.

True.

Thanks your opinion

[unbongwah]

Smites and Divine Sacrifice don't work with bows, if you're planning on using them together.

Only Divine Might & Divine Favor apply to ranged attacks, IIRC.

The biggest issue for this build is lack of feats: I don't see Bow STR, Prec Shot, Imp Prec Shot, IC Blunt, or Stunning Fist. Plus you miss out on monk 12: Ninja II (+2D6 SA), tier-3 stances, etc. I take it, though, you don't want to do monk 12 / rgr 6 / ftr 2, so what about monk 12 / pally 6 / rgr 2? It's not great, but you keep the same # of feats while still getting monk 12's goodies.

[mrszabo]

Thanks your advices!

It seems 2 Ranger lvl instead of Fighter adds more benefits: Bow Strength, 1 Favored Enemy
and 12 Monk lvl adds Abundant Step and two 2nd tier stances (you can add Ninja spy 2 if you give one stance up so you can reach two tier 1 prestiges and one tier 2)

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(6 Paladin \ 12 Monk \ 2 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 299 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 22
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               14                    18
Charisma             13                    16

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I

Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I

Level 5 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I

Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I

Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I

Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows

Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
Enhancement: Porous Soul

Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness

Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I

Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Curse of the Void
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful
Feat: (Automatic) Moment of Clarity
Enhancement: Touch of Death

Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Body

Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Automatic) Abundant Step
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows