Earth Savant Advice

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 08:44 AM

Hey, looking for advice on my first caster. The spells chosen are what I think is best at that level, ill be getting rid of older less useful spells as I level. And no I do not own the toaster race :P

Here's the build.

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 182
Spell Points: 2061 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 6
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             20                    28

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     6
Bluff                 5                     9
Concentration         4                    24
Diplomacy             5                     9
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                     9
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            5                     9
Jump                  0                     0
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                1                     1
Use Magic Device      7                    20

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Spell (1): Acid Spray


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Web


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Blur


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (3): Acid Blast


Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (4): Ice Storm


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Dimension Door


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (6): Disintegrate


Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Transmutation
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Spell (6): Acid Fog
Spell (7): Waves of Exhaustion


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Otto's Irresistible Dance


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Mass Repair Critical Damage
Spell (7): Finger of Death


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (9): Power Word: Kill


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Polar Ray
Spell (9): Energy Drain


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee
Enhancement: Sorcerer Bloodline of Power
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting IV
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting V
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid II
Enhancement: Deadly Acid III
Enhancement: Deadly Acid IV
Enhancement: Deadly Acid V
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

**AZgreentea** · 12-09-2011, 09:08 AM

You can get Ex Retreat on a cliky pretty easy. Grab a spell like Burning Hands, which still works for a while. Before I got some higher spells I spammed the two hand spells in a pinch.

At lvl 9 you took Knock. You might consider Acid Arrow, which has a good DoT.

You might also consider taking at least the first rank of the different elemental manipulation spells. The first rank grants a 20% increase in damage, which is pretty decent. Or at least the first rank in the elements you plan to use ( you took acid and frost but not fire for your WoF).

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 09:33 AM

I would take acid arrow but im not sure anything will survive long enough at level 9 for a DoT to be useful. Plus i get acid arow from Earth Savant 2 at level 12. Are there wands or scrolls for Knock? if there are ill just buy those.

Ill take rank 1 of fire manipulation, thanks for pointing that out

**EvilI** · 12-09-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by TheWired

Hey, looking for advice on my first caster. The spells chosen are what I think is best at that level, ill be getting rid of older less useful spells as I level. And no I do not own the toaster race :P

I did not see Acid Rain in your spell selection. It literally rocks, and should replace any of the other level 4 spells! Black Dragon Bolt seems like something you want, and should replace Mass Repair Critical Damage as it's rare to have more than one warforged in the party who cant heal himself. I would keep knock, as scrolls and wands dont get enough DC to open anything that matters. If you take a +2 tome of intelligence at level 7 I would put the extra skill point in balance. I would also chose quicken, probably instead of SF: Transmutation, but some argue quicken is not needed on a fleshy sorc.

You may want to consider going human instead of drow, you get 1 extra feat, 3 points of constitution and 1 toughness enhancement at the cost of one point of charisma (and some action points). The loss of charisma can eventually be offset if/when you get an item with +1 exc charisma (which would otherwise bring you to an odd number), whereas a +7 charisma item might take you significantly longer to get. The main shortcoimng i see when I group with fleshy sorcerers is low hitpoints, not low charisma.

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 10:59 AM

I think im using an outdated planner because i don't have Dragon Bolt, only chose mass repair because nothing else interested me.

Ill see how it turns out without quicken and just feat swap it later on if i want it.

Hmmm....ill think about going human, drows are doable though right?

**Polarkin** · 12-09-2011, 11:03 AM

Some feedback:

1) Not a fan of Spell Focus: Transmutation. Very limited spell selection or usage.

2) Why take spell pen feat at 18? Your primary DPS spells aren't subject to spell resistance and you are not focusing, feat wise, on enchantment or necromancy schools.

3) Personal opinion: Max Cha, Max Con, everything else is "high enough" with tomes and items.

4) Enhancements: Drop improved empower I thru III and improved Maximizing III... that's like 18 ap's you can spend better somewhere else.

5) Feat recommendations: Drop SF: Transmutation and Spell Pen and take any two of:
SF Evocation (for secondary ice)
GSF Evocation (for secondary ice)
GSF Conjuration (pump dc's on your acid spells & web)
SF/GSF Enchantment (shouldn't be too hard to get a 39-40 dc on your CC spells)
Force of Personality (cha mod to will saves)
Extend (make melee's happy with 4min haste)
Skill Focus: UMD (you're gonna need to be able to hit UMD=39 for no fail heal scrolls)

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 12:47 PM

K ill swap Spell Pen out for Force of Personality, BUT im going to keep Max III and Emp III >.> there is nothing else i want to spend my points on. If i need more points for rank 1's of whatever ill drop Emp as much as i need.

SF Trans is for Flesh to Stone and Disintegrate. I was reading up on Earth savants and it seems Web, Flesh to Stone, and Earthgrab are the CC spells for them.

I downloaded the updated planner here is the build again with some changed.

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 182
Spell Points: 2061 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             20                    28

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     6
Bluff                 5                     9
Concentration         4                    24
Diplomacy             5                     9
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                     9
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            5                     9
Jump                  0                     0
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                1                     1
Use Magic Device      7                    20

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Spell (1): Acid Spray


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Web


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Blur


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (3): Acid Blast


Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (4): Acid Rain


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Dimension Door


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (6): Disintegrate


Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Transmutation
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Spell (6): Acid Fog
Spell (7): Waves of Exhaustion


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Otto's Irresistible Dance


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (8): Black Dragon Bolt


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Spell (9): Power Word: Kill


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Polar Ray
Spell (9): Energy Drain


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee
Enhancement: Sorcerer Bloodline of Power
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting IV
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting V
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid II
Enhancement: Deadly Acid III
Enhancement: Deadly Acid IV
Enhancement: Deadly Acid V
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

**tinyelvis** · 12-09-2011, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Polarkin

Some feedback:

1) Not a fan of Spell Focus: Transmutation. Very limited spell selection or usage.

2) Why take spell pen feat at 18? Your primary DPS spells aren't subject to spell resistance and you are not focusing, feat wise, on enchantment or necromancy schools.

3) Personal opinion: Max Cha, Max Con, everything else is "high enough" with tomes and items.

4) Enhancements: Drop improved empower I thru III and improved Maximizing III... that's like 18 ap's you can spend better somewhere else.

5) Feat recommendations: Drop SF: Transmutation and Spell Pen and take any two of:
SF Evocation (for secondary ice)
GSF Evocation (for secondary ice)
GSF Conjuration (pump dc's on your acid spells & web)
SF/GSF Enchantment (shouldn't be too hard to get a 39-40 dc on your CC spells)
Force of Personality (cha mod to will saves)
Extend (make melee's happy with 4min haste)
Skill Focus: UMD (you're gonna need to be able to hit UMD=39 for no fail heal scrolls)

This is great advice. Let me elaborate a bit.

Flesh to stone is a poor spell for sorcs. It requires a fort save and has spell resistance. Unless you get your DC in the mid 40s, you will miss important casts. Plus you need high spell pen in many cases. Web on the other hand has no spell resistance roll and requires a reflex save (the lowest end game). You can start being effective with a DC as low as 35.

Since you are earth sevant, your end game dot situation is not optimal since you cant stack your specialized dot spells (like the air or water sevant). However, you can overcome much of this by spec'n in another elemental (i.e. fire). Drop at least the empIII and maxIII and pick up a full line of fire damage buffs. You can then out perform water and air sevants in many end game situations. Imagine Demon queen for example. You can drop a fire wall, acid rain, dragon and stack three niacs plus burning blood. Against abbot you have acid fog, incendiary cloud plus dragon while you toss DBFs and disintigrates.

I would recommend conjuration focus(s) to help your web, acid AOE, black dragon bolt, and acid blast.

**Havok.cry** · 12-09-2011, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheWired

I would take acid arrow but im not sure anything will survive long enough at level 9 for a DoT to be useful. Plus i get acid arow from Earth Savant 2 at level 12. Are there wands or scrolls for Knock? if there are ill just buy those.

Ill take rank 1 of fire manipulation, thanks for pointing that out

Melfs is an additional dot for bosses, and sometimes for things you just want to run by and ignore. My fully specced earth savant hits harry with ticks of 80+ damage from melfs iirc. That being said All my arcanes carry knock. I hate having a locked door/chest that I have to have someone else take care of.

**Hobgoblin** · 12-09-2011, 06:07 PM

listen to elvis for the most part.

yes sorcs get a bonus to caster level, but that doesnt help the dcs. FTS will be something i get rid of I think. Its not landing nearly often for me, but when it does, they simply dont break before they are dead.

acid rain rocks!

One thing that concerns me, is your lack of a secondary spec. What are ya gonna do when you run into something thats immune to acid? you have cold, but i didnt see any points put into increasing its damage.

lastly, have considered trying to work in shield pro and shield mastery?

hob

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by tinyelvis

This is great advice. Let me elaborate a bit.

Flesh to stone is a poor spell for sorcs. It requires a fort save and has spell resistance. Unless you get your DC in the mid 40s, you will miss important casts. Plus you need high spell pen in many cases. Web on the other hand has no spell resistance roll and requires a reflex save (the lowest end game). You can start being effective with a DC as low as 35.

Ok I thought FtS had no spell resistance >.> because when you go to the compendium and hover over the spell it says it doesnt require it, but when you click on it and go to the real page it says it does. ill be swapping FTS out and getting GSF Conjuration instead of Trans.

Also to Hob, i have Ice Manipulation VII. Not sure what Shield Pro and Shield Mastery(I think this is a feat but not sure what its used
for) are.

I made some changes again, dropped Max III and Emp III and added Fire Manipulation VII plus rank 1 of the crit/crit multiplier. Also added Force Manipulation rank I because I think it ups Disintegrates damage.

Changed some spells, can you guys comment on what spells you think are more useful because i feel lost when choosing them lol. I want to drop cloud kill for protection from elements but have no clue on how useful the cloud is.

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 182
Spell Points: 2061 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             20                    28

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     6
Bluff                 5                     9
Concentration         4                    24
Diplomacy             5                     9
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                     9
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            5                     9
Jump                  0                     0
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                1                     1
Use Magic Device      7                    20

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Spell (1): Acid Spray


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Web


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Blur


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (3): Acid Blast


Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (4): Acid Rain


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Burning Blood


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Spell (6): Disintegrate


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Niac's Biting Cold
Spell (4): Fire Shield
Spell (6): Otiluke's Freezing Sphere


Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration
Spell (7): Waves of Exhaustion
Spell (6): Acid Fog
Spell (5): Cloudkill


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Incendiary Cloud


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (8): Black Dragon Bolt


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Spell (9): Power Word: Kill


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Spell (8): Polar Ray


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee
Enhancement: Sorcerer Bloodline of Power
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting IV
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting V
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid II
Enhancement: Deadly Acid III
Enhancement: Deadly Acid IV
Enhancement: Deadly Acid V
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Deadly Flame I
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation II
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation III
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation V
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

**Cardtrick** · 12-09-2011, 08:42 PM

I want to strongly urge not going drow on an earth savant. Drow have low constitution, which is a problem for anyone, but it's especially bad for earth savants, whose top-tier (and awesome) earth grab ability uses constitution for its DC. Human is definitely the best option (since warforged is off the table, I'm assuming half-elf is as well).

**wax_on_wax_off** · 12-09-2011, 09:06 PM

I too would advise to stay away from drow for sorcerer. Human or half-elf has very similar DCs but much better HP. Drow is a good option for a TR if you already have +45 GS HP item among other things.

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 09:39 PM

What if....i started with 16 con and 18 charisma on my drow, same stats as a human except humans get 1 extra toughness rank. poor drows never get any love

**wax_on_wax_off** · 12-09-2011, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheWired

What if....i started with 16 con and 18 charisma on my drow, same stats as a human except humans get 1 extra toughness rank. poor drows never get any love

Then you would have less charisma, less constitution, less UMD, less healing amp and less HP than a human.

**TheWired** · 12-09-2011, 10:00 PM

Ill stick with drow still, thanks for the advice though

**Lifespawn** · 12-10-2011, 11:51 AM

drow is a poor choice for 90% of builds

flesh to stone is a great spell you just have to use it at the right times like on casters not melee

as a secondary element acid cold is a great combo better than acid fire imo fire=bad for web.

max 2 u need for the pre but emp any and max 3 are just not needed

lastly get your scroll mastery up with having to self heal on scrolls you don't want to have to cast multiple times to heal up.

**LeLoric** · 12-10-2011, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by tinyelvis

This is great advice. Let me elaborate a bit.

Flesh to stone is a poor spell for sorcs. It requires a fort save and has spell resistance. Unless you get your DC in the mid 40s, you will miss important casts. Plus you need high spell pen in many cases. Web on the other hand has no spell resistance roll and requires a reflex save (the lowest end game). You can start being effective with a DC as low as 35.

Since you are earth sevant, your end game dot situation is not optimal since you cant stack your specialized dot spells (like the air or water sevant). However, you can overcome much of this by spec'n in another elemental (i.e. fire). Drop at least the empIII and maxIII and pick up a full line of fire damage buffs. You can then out perform water and air sevants in many end game situations. Imagine Demon queen for example. You can drop a fire wall, acid rain, dragon and stack three niacs plus burning blood. Against abbot you have acid fog, incendiary cloud plus dragon while you toss DBFs and disintigrates.

I would recommend conjuration focus(s) to help your web, acid AOE, black dragon bolt, and acid blast.

For an earth savant I like fts. You get the +6 spell caster level bonus to it so it is caster level 26 meaning it's got 6 more spell pen than most other spells.

Consider 26 base caster level +3 Greater spell pen item +4 feats +3 enh +2 arcane augmentation =38 on a no wizzie/fs past life. This hits epic drow sr about 75%. Imagine a few past lives worked in.

It is a fort save which compliments your conjuration based webs and earthgrab which are reflex based. Most drow have horrid fort saves and further makes this a great tool.

I don't have any of the feats but I do have a +2 transmutation item on quite often.

IMHO if you are an earth savant and not using fts you are wasting a valuable tool in your arsenal.

**rayworks** · 12-10-2011, 01:41 PM

I could be wrong, but isn't your web immune to your own fire spells?

**Jaid314** · 12-10-2011, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by rayworks

I could be wrong, but isn't your web immune to your own fire spells?

you are wrong in this case, and your own web can definitely be removed by your fire spells.

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