DC40...come off it!!!

[elgaeb]

newish to casters. hoping to find out how on earth does a wizard get dc40 enchantment and/or necro... at lvl 18 i have all spell pen feats/ enhancements... all greater spell focus enchantment, a int mod of 12, +2 dc enchantment item, and heighten........ALL THIS and my dc is 36.

perhaps i've got something wrong here..

can someone enlighten me please?

[Angelus_dead]

Are you a Lich or Archmage? Do you have tomes, Yugo pots and Exceptional stat items? Have you TRed?

[Correlan]

You can hit 40 DC on a non TR Wiz, it takes a little time and effort though. Items needed to be ground from ToD (rings) an item from the Dreaming Dark, Yugo favour, Use of +2 int shrine from a large guild. It takes a little time to grind these items out. but the possiblities are there.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Hmm ...

10 base
9 spell level (heighten)
2 greater spell focus
2 archmage/pale master
2 greater spell focus item
17 attribute modifier
= 42

44 intelligence is a bit of a challenge though obviously
18+5 levels+4 tome+7 item+3 exceptional+4 enhancements+1 LotD+2 capstone = 44

On a second or subsequent life you can consider adding...
1 PL:arcane initiate
1 PL:active bard one for enchantment
1 Completionist

Track down Lacer the Revenant build thread for an idea of what an arcane is capable of.

[DevilIncarnate]

+1 from capstone (when u hit 20), +1 from int+2 tome, +1 from yugo pots easiest to get. Run cove for +2 exc int trinket thats +1 dc again, that should bring you to 40.

Other stuff to aim for... +7 int item on some epic gear, +1dc from wizard past life, possible +1dc from ship buffs if you can get access to one, eventually +3 exceptional int item and +3/+4 tomes, litany for stacking +1int, but that stuff depends on guild/tring/heavy raid/epics farming.

[Tolath]

hehe ok first of all spell pen it doesnt matter to dc its completely different thing.

ok first of all you have to start with highest int. 18 for other races and 20 as drow.

you have to increase int every 4 lvls.max int in game with yugo pots and ship buffs no shop pots or alchemical that last 30 sec its
50 for human
51 for drow
49 for others

this stats its with litany+4 int tome+7 int item +3 exceptional int item etc all enchantments you can get as wiz and race.

so lets calculate the necro dc with lets say 50 int as human you can get 20 dc from your int

the dc formula works like 10+int mod+casting lvl of spell+feats and other bonuses

so with spell focus and greater spell focus as well with greater necro focus and 1 more dc as lich your dc is 44 and one more as past life wizard feat is 45 thats the top dc someone can get on necro as palemaster.

you need greater focus item and to increase your int as high as posible.there is nothing more around.

[jaegarnel]

My wizard just got 40 DC on enchantment, so I can enlighten you.

Int modifier first

18 base
5 level ups
2 tome (not going to assume a +3 or +4 since this is about easily attainable stuff)
9 item (+6 item, since no epic, you can get +2 exceptional easily from the Cove event right now, and from a ToD ring later, you can also get +1 exceptional rather easily from DT robe, and later on a ToD ring too)
4 enhancements (3 from class, 1 human)
2 capstone

40 int: +15 modifier

No +2 from Yugo pot, I'm a fleshy AM and can't offset the fort loss.(yes it's a bad idea, I know, it's my first character and I didn't know self-healing was so important). You can easily get that +2 as a pm.
Not going to assume you belong to a big guild (and I don't either) so no +2 from shrine either.

34 DC from heighten and int modifier.

2 from feat
2 from enhancements (AM)
2 from item

40 DC

If you have a wizard past life, with the feat that'd be +1 DC
If you go pm you'd get that on necro, plus using Yugo pots. That's +1 DC
If you belong to a big guild and have +2 int shrine active most of the time, that's another +1 DC.
If you can get better stuff (+3 tome and +7 item, and possible Litany), that's another +1 or even +2 DC

So max achievable as a human (drow can get +1 over that), 44 DC.

[xSeverinax]

Hi Elgaeb, like you I was sceptical at first, but it is possible to get a fair bit over 40.

Spell DC = 10 + spell level + stat bonus + feat bonus + item bonus

10 base
15 (stat bonus from a 40 int)
9 (spell level)
2 (spell focus / greater spell focus feats)
2 (spell focus item)
2 (Archmage enhancement bonus)

= 40

Then some of the past life feats add to this, and they can be stacked up to 3 times. It is also possible to get a stat above 40, increasing it further.

18 base (20 if drow)
+5 level up points
+7 item
+3 exceptional
+3 enhancement
+2 tome
+2 capstone
+2 ship buff

= 42 stat (44 if drow) This includes some epic gear yes, but not potions or +4 tomes, which would take it even higher. Even without the epic gear you can still hit 40 with only a +6 item and a +2 exceptional bonus.

[Tolath]

Then some of the past life feats add to this, and they can be stacked up to 3 times. It is also possible to get a stat above 40, increasing it further.

nop stacking past life feat is about spell pen on wizard its not about dc.you can get dc feat only once.

[WolfHealr]

nop stacking past life feat is about spell pen on wizard its not about dc.you can get dc feat only once.

I think he's talking about the Cleric past life for conjuration DC and sorc for evocation. Or maybe the Bardic Dilettante past life feat is +1 enchantment DC, Completionist feat for +1, etc. but you have to spend a feat slot on them and I don't think they stack.

[WolfHealr]

Not knowing whether you are Archmage or Pale Master, all I can comment on is your int mod of 12, giving 34 INT. So assuming you started with maxed intelligence, the base you should have as a level 18 wizard (standard equipment, nothing special):

Int 16 (Half-Orc) +4 level up +2 tome +3 enh +6 item = 31

Unknowns/things you can add to that number:
+2-4 Race (Drow 20, Human/Half Elf 19 with an enhancement, rest 18)
+1 level point at 20
+2 Capstone
+1 Epic item with +7 INT (Staff of Inner Sight, etc.)
+1 Exceptional (DT armor, ToD ring, epic slot, etc.)
+2 Exceptional (ToD Ring, Shroud crafted wespon, etc.)
+1 Litany of the Dead
+1-2 (+3 or +4 tome)
+2 Guild ship shrine (1 hour)
+2 Yugoloth potions (favor vendor from Amrath quests, lasts 15 minutes)

There's more that you can apply, check this thread: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=289779


Edit: DOH! Ninja'd x3 :P

[Vellrad]

Its not that hard, but its also not very easy.
You know that you should start with max int, and put all level ups to it, rigth? At cap its 23 int.
OK, now, +6 int items are easy to get, I assume you have it, 29 int now.
You will also take +5 int from enhancement, at level 20, now its 34 int.
Thats the easy part, now it gets a little trickier.
You can look for +2 tome, giving you 36 int. Its not hard, but they can be quite expensive.
Now, there's thing called exceptional stat bonus, you can find it on couple of items.
The easiest to get, are shroud weapon or cove trinket, increasing your int to 39 now.
Raids can give you +3 tome, or you can create one of +7 int items (easiers is illusionist's garb), you can reach 40 int, its whole +15 modifer.
Getting gt. spell focus items aren't hard, its crafting level 50, or couple of raid loot, thats easy +2, as you can put it on something swapable, like weapon.
You should have DC arround 10 (base) +9 (spell lvll) + 15 (int) +2 (item). Its 36 DC standing on all spells.
After a bit of favor running, you will get acces to yugoloth potions, you can get +2 int and small mana regen there for 15 minutes at price of 1k plat. After drinking this potion, you'll DCs rise to 37.
Now there is feat and pre choices.
Palemaster requires greater spell focus in necromancy, and grants +2 int, and +1 necro DC. With all theese, your necromancy DC is 41 points, 40 without yugo pot.
Archmage also requires greater spell focus, but in school of your choice.
You can get +2 extra school DC from there too, and also selection of **** cheap spell like abilities. Archmages should also have DC41 in their school of choice, 40 without yugo pot.

Oh, I forgotten, getting acces to guild ship with +2 int shrine is +1 DC, you can add this +1 to all numbers .

[Such755]

18 base + 5 level + 2 tome + 7 item + 4 enhance (Human only) + 2 capstone + 2 lich + 1 litany of the dead (Trinket)+ 1 excep + 2 excep = 44 -> 17 mod+10 base+9 level+2 item +2 feat = 40

+7 item is hard to get
Litany of the dead is hard to get
+3 excep int is hard to get (ToD ring with +1 and +2 excep that is).

That's sustainable DC without temporary stuff like ship and potions.
Necro get +1 on top of that in lich form.


Alternative:
18 + 5 level + 2 tome + 6 item + 4 enhance + 2 capstone + 2 lich + 2 excep + 1 excep = 42 (16)+10+9+2+2 = 39

+2 excep is very easy to get from Crystal Cove (Epic spyglass).
+1 ecep is not too hard to get from ToD. w

Note that you can have +2 and +1 excep int on a green steel weapon which is fairly easy, but a waste of weapon slot IMO.

[Vellrad]

+7 item is hard to get

after they changed epic big top, its a little harder to find +7 item, but it is still possible with pugs.

+3 excep int is hard to get (ToD ring with +1 and +2 excep that is).

You should stay away from tod caster rings. As far as you can. Easy exceptional is cove.

[jaegarnel]

after they changed epic big top, its a little harder to find +7 item, but it is still possible with pugs.

It's true the P carnival epics aren't really hard, but it's still very time consuming, especially if you're unlucky pulling that last scroll/shard/seal you need.
Plus for a caster you need good DCs before getting into epics, therefore a +7 item is one of the last things you'll get imo. The exceptional stat bonus and a +3 tome are easier to get.

You should stay away from tod caster rings. As far as you can. Easy exceptional is cove.

Why? Rakhir's ring is usually considered one of the best ToD rings, even for casters other than archmages, since the set bonus is very good, and can make up major arcane lore combined with a greater arcane lore item.

[Vellrad]

It's true the P carnival epics aren't really hard, but it's still very time consuming, especially if you're unlucky pulling that last scroll/shard/seal you need.
Plus for a caster you need good DCs before getting into epics, therefore a +7 item is one of the last things you'll get imo. The exceptional stat bonus and a +3 tome are easier to get.

I won't say +3 tome is easier, I never saw any, except of dex.
And I've built +7 int item before my DC was good in pug.
Sure, that was in old easy days, but still, I had something like 200HP on 1st toon

Why? Rakhir's ring is usually considered one of the best ToD rings, even for casters other than archmages, since the set bonus is very good, and can make up major arcane lore combined with a greater arcane lore item.

[/quote]

Arcane lore is good only for disintegration and horrid wilting.
Other spells got easier to get lores, and there is couple named items having 2 major lores, even one with 3.
Also, belt got absolutely no affect after buffing and entering quest, its hard to find something worse to carry equipped in this slot mid-quest.

[soulaeon]

Arcane lore is good only for disintegration and horrid wilting.
Other spells got easier to get lores, and there is couple named items having 2 major lores, even one with 3.
Also, belt got absolutely no affect after buffing and entering quest, its hard to find something worse to carry equipped in this slot mid-quest.

The TOD set bonus is terrible. It is not an upgrade from more powerful effects, like from the Skiver or a crated item. And, it does not stack with anything.

Are you a Lich or Archmage? Do you have tomes, Yugo pots and Exceptional stat items? Have you TRed?

Pale masters do not actually become liches, by the way.

[azmodeus1]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=289779

[TheDearLeader]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=289779

This.

[Tolath]

This.

this what?first some of calculations are wrong and this is not a build or something it just explains how dc can be in some occasions

.i dont know anyone that got competionist and also tr 3 times in every class to get all this benefitss so far.but the thing here is house d pots and abish cookies and pots from store.
you cant use this things really its just you use them you reach lets say 60 int and you get a screenshot because they last for some secs-mins you cant play like this.

i dont think this is helpful for the guy he asking how to get 40 dc.