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    Question Advice on adapting to playstyle (only slightly please)

    So I currently am running an Evoker FVS. My build is specced for BB + Cometfall currently.

    At level 15 I find that I draw far too much aggro when casting. 300+ on BB and 250+ on cometfall = 550+ damage to each monster in a given mob. This damage occurring in a matter of 5 seconds. I just destruct single targets currently, or high fort save targets I use searing light for 150+ damage.

    When playing the primary healer in a quest this aggro is unappreciated and if group is not right around me, I run about an 80% chance of dying. The issue is I am of the mindset that if I can kill a mob and not have to heal... I save SP. When I am healing should I just stand back? A dead healer is no good to any party.

    Secondarily I am running a TWF role for dps if I do run out of sp. I have Khopesh proficiency. Was wondering if I should go longswords and free up that feat since Longsword is free with Faith line. With that feat I was wondering if I should go repeater to stay back... or go in another direction.

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    It sounds odd that you consider your FvS an Evoker spec with TWFing and Khopesh feat. What are your feats?

    BB is best when soloing, then you'll want to kite the monster through it. You shouldnt take much damage then since you're running around all the time. If you get knocked down thats bad news, but blocking can help some.

    After a Cometfall they should sit on their butts, no?
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    You want the agro. You want all of the agro. If the agro is on you, people arn't getting hurt.
    Kite it all through the barrier.
    You just lost all your agro.

    Carry a good tower shield and block if you're too lazy to cast BB. If you're dying that fast something is wrong.

    Cast your offensive spells when they are more efficient in time or spellpoints than healing.

    An evoker fvs does not have any spare feats whatsoever. I'd say a pure human fvs probably has negative 2 spare feats - you cannot afford any melee feats.
    Running out of sp on a fvs is a bigger problem than what to do when you get there.

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    I TWF for weapon debuffs. Improved Cursespewing and CON Damage to make mobs easier to kill. Khopesh wsa just for crits. Like hittin 70+ when I debuff a monster. As Far as Cometfall is concerned not everything get stunned/tripped... red/ orange names and high save mobs.

    Base Stats are as follows:

    15 STR
    15 DEX
    14 CON I haev a +2 supreme tome to compensate for some deficiencies here.
    8 INT
    18 WIS
    8 CHA

    I am running TWF, Improved TWF, Exotic: Khopesh, Empower, Maximize, and OTWF. If I move away from TWF altogether would I be better off? I was also thinking of going Exotic: Heavy Repeating Crossbow if I LR. I know I am gimped but I have not played since the actual Market event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Wanderer View Post
    I TWF for weapon debuffs. Improved Cursespewing and CON Damage to make mobs easier to kill. Khopesh wsa just for crits. Like hittin 70+ when I debuff a monster. As Far as Cometfall is concerned not everything get stunned/tripped... red/ orange names and high save mobs.

    Base Stats are as follows:

    15 STR
    15 DEX
    14 CON I haev a +2 supreme tome to compensate for some deficiencies here.
    8 INT
    18 WIS
    8 CHA

    I am running TWF, Improved TWF, Exotic: Khopesh, Empower, Maximize, and OTWF. If I move away from TWF altogether would I be better off? I was also thinking of going Exotic: Heavy Repeating Crossbow if I LR. I know I am gimped but I have not played since the actual Market event.
    As long as you pick up quicken as one of your last feats, this is a serviceable character. It's not min-max, but it's not too gimp to function. You will find two big problems as you approach 20:
    1. Low to-hit. You are at -4 from TWF, and have a non-maxxed STR stat with no level-ups in it. You will still be able to hit some epic mobs, but for many you will be seeing misses.
    2. Low charisma. Dumped charisma on a FvS can be a good idea if you are TRed and have the gear to get to 19, but may not be as good of an idea for someone who has not played in awhile and may not have the gear.
    8+2 tome + 2 enhancements + 6 item = 18
    You will need one more point somewhere... a costly enhancement, exceptional, epic helm of frost, +3 tome, or yugo pots could work.

    If you decide to LR/TR, there are 3 main routes you could take (as a human):

    Full melee spec: dump wisdom, pick up all combat feats (PA, GTWF, IC:S, etc) as well as maximize/empower/quicken/toughness.
    You'd need to go 18fvs/2monk, 18fvs/2ftr, or 17fvs/2monk/1ftr.

    Half-and-half: The toughest to pull off, similar to what you are doing but probably splashed for more feats. Again, difficult to get enough to-hit.

    Full evoker spec: dump dex and lower str, put them in con and max wisdom, and a point or two in cha. Feats are max/empower/quicken/heighten/toughness/SF:evoc/GSF:evoc/spell pen (salt to taste).
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    Kopeshes are used for dps, pure and simple. You say you use weapons for debuffing, but none of the debuf weapon options is based on critical multiplier. In other words: a longsword (19-20/x2) works just as well as a kopesh (19-20/x3) and is probably a lot cheaper. You also get a free weapon spec. as a FvS.

    I also note that you are missing the improved critical feat and the power attack feat. If you are serious about melee'ing these 2 are better to have than OTWF and kopesh prof.

    If you want to be an evoker, then you'll need at least quicken spell and probably some spell penetration as well. The key in playing this kind of FvS is sp-conservation: you need to kill as many mobs as possible with as few sp's as possible. BB kiting is very effective in that way.

    Personally, I run a soul survivor FvS and use BB's to kill about anything. (It's about the only really effective offensive spell I have, my Wisdom is 6 so my DC's suck). Fully buffed, I do about 60 damage per swing with my greatsword at lvl 13, so I use that for finishing off mobs. I never bothered with debuffing the opponents because they're dead after a few seconds.

    I think you aren't killing mobs fast enough. Use dps weapons instead of trying to debuff them. Kite mobs through BB's. Cast cometfall or greater command and kill the ones that are still standing upright.

    Oh, and get a source of DR and a concordant opposition item or a torc. Every caster wants those for a reason. They're that good.

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    Any race and class can swing a two handed weapon and it don't cost feats and you don't have to spend points on dex since you need to focus lots of points in other stats, as is the case with a FS.

    IF you were going with a melee build, then I could see the use of high dex for TWF. But since you are going for an offensive caster, you may have tried to push the build in too many directions.
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    You can use cometfall, soundburst or greater command to make the mobs stop chasing you for a bit. 6 seconds should be enough for a barb to pull a mob off you.

    Use cure light wounds, mass spells and heal scrolls to heal the party. It's cheaper and effective. You can toss a heal every few seconds and still be blade-barrier kiting all over the place
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