PSA Haste does not waste a valuable spell slot

[Khurse]

Hi,
I just wanted to let aspiring Sorcs of levels 18-20 know, that the Spell Haste (Haste). does not indeed take up a spot better used for DPS spells.

I don't want to be rude and point out how annoying it is during a Shroud run when neither Sorc has it, and when questioned, one replies that it is a waste of a Spell slot for a Sorc, so I won't.

I also won't point out how many of your Sorc SP's could -perhaps- be put to better use than you casting Lightning Bolts at the portals. ( I know I know, you threw a polar ray or two as well, I don't want to suggest you're a one trick pony)


Seriously though, 2 Sorcs neither carries Haste. Is this a new thing? is my Haste (and forgive me, extend) carrying Sorc breaking some new optimal design build? Am I missing out on some better than haste level 3 DPS spell?

[varusso]

My capped bank-mule sorc carries extended haste; rage, too.

[stille_nacht]

lol, there is no way to justify all the lv 3 slots that sorcs carry as better than haste.

i had a similar issue with a sorc who didnt pick up resist energy. really? you dropped the most damage decreasing spell in the game for a skillful sorc? for a level 2 spell? are there even 5 spells you WANT? let alone need...

[Gkar]

With extend gone for many sorcs now haste is less attractive than it was. Blame Turbine.

Most wizards still carry it, bards carry it, and it comes in pots. It's not life or death to have it.

(I still carry both haste and extend on my L20 sorc...but its temping...)

(and has anyone else noticed the trend in the last few weeks for people to start posts saying "PSA" and then go to on to tell other players who to build their characters because Mr superior knows better?)

[bokaboka]

I've seen a ton of arcanes lately who don't carry Blur, Haste, or Resist Energy.
I hate it, but I deal...

[Khurse]

With extend gone for many sorcs now haste is less attractive than it was. Blame Turbine.

Most wizards still carry it, bards carry it, and it comes in pots. It's not life or death to have it.

(I still carry both haste and extend on my L20 sorc...but its temping...)

(and has anyone else noticed the trend in the last few weeks for people to start posts saying "PSA" and then go to on to tell other players who to build their characters because Mr superior knows better?)

It's "Khurse" (although I admit I wish I thought of "Mr Superior" when I made the account)
That aside.

I do know better.
If you don't carry Haste and run with a core group of people, no worries.
If you are a new Sorc to the game and Unguilded (or in one of the new guilds) and ask me about joining mine while telling me that your sorc needs the level 3 spot for a DPS spell, I'm probably going to mention it might be a better idea to take haste.

I'll even point out I said "aspiring" ie "newer". Sorcs.
Just because I would never tell an experienced Sorc that he should carry haste any more than I would tell them they're wasting their time casting Lightning Bolts and Polar rays at the Shroud Portals.

[varusso]

I find that keeping everyone haste/rage (including myself) increases the overall party DPS, as well as speed of completion. Not to mention other little inconsequential things such as extra HP, saves, run speed, and bonuses to-hit. Crazy talk, I know.

[Missing_Minds]

With extend gone for many sorcs now haste is less attractive than it was. Blame Turbine.

I state this generically as I do not know how any of you actually act in game.

Blame the reception that most casters got at higher level. Arcane caster = hastebot. Demands, expectations, and next to no polite requests or the like.

Add in the spell pass and some refuse to carry it any more.

Players should treat people like people they want to play with. It goes a long way.

FYI, yes, my sorc still has it.

[varusso]

I state this generically as I do not know how any of you actually act in game.

Blame the reception that most casters got at higher level. Arcane caster = hastebot. Demands, expectations, and next to no polite requests or the like.

Add in the spell pass and some refuse to carry it any more.

Players should treat people like people they want to play with. It goes a long way.

FYI, yes, my sorc still has it.

Cleric/FVS is expected to heal in a group-environment.
Rogue is expected to do traps.
Bard is expected to have songs/rage/haste.
Barb/fighter/pally are expected to bring DPS and or intim.
Wiz are expected to have rage/haste and a few other buffs, CC, death spells, and some nukes.
Sorc are expected to have rage/haste and a few other buffs, nukes, and possibly situational CCs.
Everyone is expected to have heals/remove curse/remove poison/heavy fort/lots of HP......
This is all standard *in addition* to whatever flavor you are currently working on, on your particular toon.

There are alot of expectations in place for everyone. None of it is rude. Its just how the game is played, particularly once we leave the harbor and market quests behind us. Its like going to a pot-luck dinner party and not bringing a dish.

[lugoman]

lol, there is no way to justify all the lv 3 slots that sorcs carry as better than haste.

i had a similar issue with a sorc who didnt pick up resist energy. really? you dropped the most damage decreasing spell in the game for a skillful sorc? for a level 2 spell? are there even 5 spells you WANT? let alone need...

As more guilds get higher level and better airships, I am considering dropping resist energy. I'll give you a ship invite if you really want them.

[Khurse]

Players should treat people like people they want to play with. It goes a long way.

FYI, yes, my sorc still has it.

I agree, but it works both ways. Both my Arcanes carry it. Why?
Because it's a party buff.
It buffs the party and adds far more DPS than any other spell.
If you want to carry a DPS spell instead, I personally look upon that as being selfish and not a team player.

Again, if a player runs with a set group and doesn't need it because someone else always has it no worries.
If a player just don't want to cast it because they hate people asking for it, I don't want them in my guild or parties. (And they probably don't want to be there, so it kinda works out anyway)
If they tell me that it's better DPS for them to carry a level 3 damage Spell instead, they're wrong.

[MeliCat]

lol, there is no way to justify all the lv 3 slots that sorcs carry as better than haste.

i had a similar issue with a sorc who didnt pick up resist energy. really? you dropped the most damage decreasing spell in the game for a skillful sorc? for a level 2 spell? are there even 5 spells you WANT? let alone need...

Oh I've come across one of those sorcs. While on a cleric. So guess who had to do the resisting of the whole party including himself? He was oh-so-proud of being a glass cannon. My mild comment of 'oh really?' did not express how truly amused I was by this. (The quest was wizking so I way out killed him while keeping the party alive....)

I kind of understand sorcs not having blur - as long as they have displacement.

I know that a lot of new players don't understand haste if they have expeditious retreat. They don't understand that haste does not make you just *run* faster, it makes you *hit* things faster (ie more often). Just a little bit of gentle explanation in party is all that is needed. If you do it in the right way hopefully they get the message. If not well, it's only one quest and you move on taking note of who they are.....

[Aashrym]

I find it odd no one in the party had it. When I jump into shroud usually 2 or 3 ppl cast it who are not paying attention to the fact it`s already been cast.

[MeliCat]

I find it odd no one in the party had it. When I jump into shroud usually 2 or 3 ppl cast it who are not paying attention to the fact it`s already been cast.

Oh that's horrible.. so so slow!... I hope people had clickies?

(note to self: make more haste clickies before TRing melee....)

[Khurse]

Oh yeah, we had clickies (I really have to get off my butt and make the Chrono goggles).
It was just one of those things, no bard , no wiz, just 2 sorcs, neither of whom happened to have it.
Not a huge issue by any means.
Just something I found odd.

[Xenostrata]

Coming to the forums to complain about a minor build issue that few or none of your readers will have is about as pointless as not carrying haste on your sorc.

Seriously, if you are going to make a public service anouncement, make it about something that is important for the public to learn.

While annoying, the lack of haste did not wreck your chances of completing, and going to the forums to argue your case with people that agree with you won't actually accomplish anything. Did you at least try to make a few friendly suggestions through /tells to the offending sorcerers?

[varusso]

Coming to the forums to complain about a minor build issue that few or none of your readers will have is about as pointless as not carrying haste on your sorc.

Seriously, if you are going to make a public service anouncement, make it about something that is important for the public to learn.

Smoking is bad for your health. Not because it causes cancer, but because I am likely to dowse you with gasoline if I see you with a cigarette in your mouth.

Also, always carry rage/haste if you are playing an arcane.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled programming.

[t0r012]

my thing is , how do you not carry haste for personal use?

hey if you don't want to be the "hastebot" that's all fine and dandy but geez how can you have access and not take it and just tell people , i'm not your hastebot drink a pot, use a clickie, beg the bard, or even go build your own arcane cause you aren't getting it from me.

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edit have to add
just like people begging for heals after a fight when your on your divine. "suck it up Sally , I'm not your bleep'en wet nurse"

[varusso]

my thing is , how do you not carry haste for personal use?

Because a spell-chucker doesnt need the extra attack speed, cos it doesnt benefit spells. They dont need the extra run speed, because expeditious retreat (or striders) serves their needs well enough, especially if they solo alot. AC? Do I need to go there? Saves -- +1 adds up, but by itself is not a big issue.

But if you are grouping at all, you should have it. We all know that. If you are new enough not to know better (as was a certain guildie sorc), thats fine. Listen to those who HAVE been around long enough to know better. You can choose to do your own thing, and refuse to carry it, but dont expect others to pick you over an arcane that DOES have it *shrug*

[Khurse]

While annoying, the lack of haste did not wreck your chances of completing, and going to the forums to argue your case with people that agree with you won't actually accomplish anything.

I disagree!
1) It makes me feel all manly and cool
2) I realized "Mr Superior" was a much,much, better forum name than Khurse
3) I got neg repped
4) I know now what a PSA is supposed to contain

See? accomplished lots.

Did you at least try to make a few friendly suggestions through /tells to the offending sorcerers?

Yes, after one asked about joining my guild I mentioned he might want to carry haste as we're really a fairly lazy bunch.
Then got the tell pointing out that it wasted a spell DPS spot.
Mentioned that Haste was a better DPs increase, didn't get a tell back