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  1. #1
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    Exclamation Need advice on My THF Pally

    This build is meant to be Soloable and also work as a tank from lvl 4 to lvl 20 but won't be doing endgame content, I have a static party with my roommates and when their not on I want to be able to Solo but also contribute to damage when in party and tank when needed. I can afford the tomes at 3 and 7 but my main question is will this be a good build to take to twenty, not planning on doing alot of endgame with him, will prolly TR as soon as I hit 20.Thanks for the help!
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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (20 Paladin) 
    Hit Points: 352
    Spell Points: 300 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 23
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 20
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
    Strength             16                 24                   24
    Dexterity            11                 14                   14
    Constitution         14                 17                   17
    Intelligence         11                 14                   14
    Wisdom                8                 11                   11
    Charisma             16                 19                   22
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
    Balance               2                 13.5                 13.5
    Bluff                 3                  6                    6
    Concentration         2                 26                   26
    Diplomacy             3                  6                    6
    Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                3                  6                    6
    Heal                 -1                  0                    0
    Hide                  0                  2                    2
    Intimidate            7                 29                   31
    Jump                  3                  7                    7
    Listen               -1                  0                    0
    Move Silently         0                  2                    2
    Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
    Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                0                  2                    2
    Search                0                  2                    2
    Spot                 -1                  0                    0
    Swim                  3                  7                    7
    Tumble                n/a                3                    3
    Use Magic Device      5                 17.5                 17.5
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Spell (1): Bless
    Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
    Spell (1): Divine Favor
    Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
    Spell (1): Lionheart
    Spell (1): Protection From Evil
    Spell (1): Resistance
    Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
    Spell (1): Virtue
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Spell (2): Angelskin
    Spell (2): Bull's Strength
    Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
    Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
    Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
    Spell (2): Resist Energy
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
    Spell (3): Dispel Magic
    Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
    Spell (3): Prayer
    Spell (3): Remove Blindness
    Spell (3): Remove Curse
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Spell (4): Break Enchantment
    Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
    Spell (4): Deathward
    Spell (4): Holy Sword
    Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
    Spell (4): Restoration
    Spell (4): Stalwart Pact
    Spell (4): Zeal
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
    Enhancement: Paladin Redemption II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion III
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
    Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I

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    After a little looking around this is the updated version of the original build
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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
    DDO Character Planner Home Page
    
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (20 Paladin) 
    Hit Points: 342
    Spell Points: 280 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 24
    Reflex: 17
    Will: 21
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
    Strength             16                 24                   24
    Dexterity            11                 14                   14
    Constitution         14                 17                   17
    Intelligence         11                 14                   14
    Wisdom                8                 11                   11
    Charisma             16                 19                   22
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
    Enhancement: Paladin Redemption II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion III
    Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I

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    First, you can't use +3 tomes at level 7.

    Second, why'd you pick up dodge, but only picked one level of Bulwark of Good? If you're going for AC, then you might as well go all out. If you're not going for AC, then don't bother with it. You'd be better off with the Greater Two-Handed feat.

    Third, which prestige are you going for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WielderofGigantus View Post
    First, you can't use +3 tomes at level 7.

    Second, why'd you pick up dodge, but only picked one level of Bulwark of Good? If you're going for AC, then you might as well go all out. If you're not going for AC, then don't bother with it. You'd be better off with the Greater Two-Handed feat.

    Third, which prestige are you going for?
    I didn't use +3 tomes at 7 I used a +1 to all at 3 and a +2 to all at 7 Idk why it shows up as + 3

    Okay I'll drop Dodge and get the GTHF

    And Idk about the prestige, which prestige would be better for this build? my main question is if the stats and feats look okay, with dodge switched out for GTHF so I can start my build Enhancements are easily switched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekkin View Post
    I didn't use +3 tomes at 7 I used a +1 to all at 3 and a +2 to all at 7 Idk why it shows up as + 3
    The builder adds the bonuses cumulatively; so it thinks you're take +1s at lvl 3 and +3s at lvl 7 (1+2). Just drop the +1s; there's no point in taking +1 Supreme and +2 Supreme tomes, precisely because the bonuses aren't cumulative. At most take a +1 INT at lvl 3 and +2 INT at lvl 7 for 4 extra skill pts, if you really feel like splurging.

    As for PrE: if this is intended as a traditional high-AC S&B pally tank, you want to go with DoS. I recommend taking Combat Expertise to meet the feat pre-req and for the extra AC.

    Here's my template for a human DoS tank:

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
    (20 Paladin) 
    Hit Points: 342
    Spell Points: 260 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 24
    Reflex: 17
    Will: 15
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            11                    14
    Constitution         14                    16
    Intelligence         11                    13
    Wisdom                8                    10
    Charisma             16                    20
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 20
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery 
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
    Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
    Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
    Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
    Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
    Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys III
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might IV
    The +4 CHA tome is a "if you get super lucky at endgame" wishlist item so you can take Divine Might IV; it'd be nice to have for the extra DPS, but it's not essential. The +2 INT tome is the only one which should really be taken at lvl 7; the rest can be delayed if you don't have them by then.

    I went with Shield Mastery @ lvl 18 for the dmg reduction. However other possibilities include Extend Spell for longer buffs (esp. Zeal); Imp Shield Bash to do a bit more dmg while tanking; or khopesh, bastard sword, or dwarven axe proficiency for S&B tanking (otherwise use scimitars).

    Note that until you take Combat Expertise or Shield Mastery, you can't take DoS; you'll level up as a HotD or KotC until you do. Since you can't take the +2 INT tome until lvl 7 which is CE pre-req, an alternate feat order that would let you take DoS ASAP is Shield Mastery (6), IC Slash (9), ITHF (12), CE (15), GTHF (18).
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