Maybe I miss something about heal...

[Nephilia]

Despite to the thread title this is not a drama-post!
I just need some explanation!
Long story short: I was in search of a superior devotion VI item for my FVS!
Yesterday the end reward for a rainbow in the dark on norm provide this ring to a friend of mine who gave it to me!
Immediately I started to leap like a happy easter rabbit with a basket full of chocolate eggs!
Then I asked him to be a guinea-pig for me to test it!
And here the strange things happened...
I want to say that I was in meridia (the city not the wild-zone) I dunno if things works differently in city instead of the killing area or the quests... anyway...

I was using max-spell and I noticed a variable effect on my heal.
I tried critical, serious, heal, light (not mass ofc) and each time I cast the same spell I obtain 2 different result.
I was not supposed to get the maximum value possible from em?

Doubt number 2... incredibly I noticed a better heal-effects from my spell when I switch my ring of superior devotion VI off O__O
How could it be possible?

Ty for everyone who want to help me

[kuro_zero]

Maxamize spell Meta magic feat is implemented differently in DDO than in PnP.

PnP: Dice rolls for spells are set to Max.
DDO: dice value is doubled

This is probably due to DDO using "loaded" dice and we would only get marginal improvement if they kept with pnp rules.

Should also mention, the level 6 Heal spell can not be maxamized or empowered due to it not being dice based. It can be Empower Healed, however, and devotion effects work on it as well. Cure XXX Wound spells can have all 3 applied to them.

[FastTaco]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there are no randomly generated superior devotion rings.

[tekkentroop]

you can get sup dev VI from weapons... Id prefer sup potency VI, though....

[kuro_zero]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there are no randomly generated superior devotion rings.

Maybe. I've seen Greaters though.

[WruntJunior]

Maxamize spell Meta magic feat is implemented differently in DDO than in PnP.

PnP: Dice rolls for spells are set to Max.
DDO: dice value is doubled

This is probably due to DDO using "loaded" dice and we would only get marginal improvement if they kept with pnp rules.

Should also mention, the level 6 Heal spell can not be maxamized or empowered due to it not being dice based. It can be Empower Healed, however, and devotion effects work on it as well. Cure XXX Wound spells can have all 3 applied to them.

Actually, heal can be maximized, just not empowered.

[kuro_zero]

Actually, heal can be maximized, just not empowered.

That doesn't make sense as anything that can be maxamized can be empowered. Heal only works with empower heal and quicken.

EDIT
And heighten, if you feel the need to heal undead.

[Dandonk]

Actually, heal can be maximized, just not empowered.

No, the Heal spell cannot be maximized.

[Nephilia]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there are no randomly generated superior devotion rings.

I will post a screenshot if u want !!!
Can sound strange but now I've a superior devotion VI ring! he had even a skill bonus (don't remember which one and how much +bonus)!!
I've a superior potency weapon so this ring are pure diamond for me!!!

EDIT: maybe superior pot burst my heal-spells?? so thy won't stack?

[kuro_zero]

Doubt number 2... incredibly I noticed a better heal-effects from my spell when I switch my ring of superior devotion VI off O__O
How could it be possible?

Ty for everyone who want to help me

In regards to this, the only thing I could think of is if you possibly scored a critical heal after you took the ring off. Your combat log will tell you.

[kuro_zero]

I will post a screenshot if u want !!!
Can sound strange but now I've a superior devotion VI ring! he had even a skill bonus (don't remember which one and how much +bonus)!!
I've a superior potency weapon so this ring are pure diamond for me!!!

EDIT: maybe superior pot burst my heal-spells?? so thy won't stack?

Yes, potency works with your healing spells And no, they do not stack. It is still a very nice item and likely highly sought after (I know I was looking for one quite a while ago).

[Nephilia]

Yes, potency works with your healing spells And no, they do not stack. It is still a very nice item and likely highly sought after (I know I was looking for one quite a while ago).

And this solve the arcane
Ty a lot all guys

[Maren_Vond]

There are better diamonds than that (Amrath belts for example, Superior Devotion VIII clickies).

The Heal skill has no factor in it (only Healing Amplification does, as well as Improved Recovery, Healer's Friend).

Heal cannot be maximized or empowered, but Empowered Healing affects it. Heighten, Enlarge and Quicken also work, but add no benefit to the healing part so they're irrelevant in this context.

Heal is a fixed spell that heals the target for 10 points of damage per level, to a maximum of 150 points at level 15.

The spell works this way:
base heal + class enhancement + item enhancement + healing amplification/improved recovery = total base heal

And then the game check for crits:
base crit chance + enhancement crit chance + item crit chance = total crit chance

If a crit applies:
base crit multiplier + enchancement crit multiplier + item crit multiplier = total crit multiplier

Which modifies the above total heal:
total base heal + ( total base heal x total crit multiplier ) = crit total heal

Hope this helps.

EDIT: Potency is a better choice since it applies to all spells (BBs! RPs! Sparkies!), not only healing spells. But they're harder to come by (and good luck in finding a Superior Potency VI Ring! ). Also, Arcane Lore is in the same way better than Healing Lore, except for the fact that you can't get a Superior Arcane Lore item in game (closest thing is Greater Arcane Lore + Archmagi ToD set).

[stoerm]

If you've got superior potency VI then superior devotion VI gives you nothing.

[phalaeo]

Actually, heal can be maximized, just not empowered.

Heal cannot be Maximized- only Empower Heal'ed.

Cures can be Maximized, Empowered and Empower Heal'ed.