Post DoooOMmm Day 1. Barbarians

[paraplegic]

right now after seeing SA wont get 50%more damage in helpless situation i will change my rogue and roll a barb (yes i will TR him) i was wondering which build should i pick for my new barbarian.? which barbarian will be the best for the DooooOmm update?

[Qezuzu]

right now after seeing SA wont get 50%more damage in helpless situation i will change my rogue and roll a barb (yes i will TR him) i was wondering which build should i pick for my new barbarian.? which barbarian will be the best for the DooooOmm update?

Bosses can't be made helpless.

Don't reroll to kill trash faster. Rogues are better.

You can even assassinate trash if you want.

[Ystradmynach]

Sneak attack never got those sort of damage bonuses, not even in PnP. I don't know why you expect Turbine to make rogue overpowered now.

I don't know enough about barbarians to know which build you should go for, but I bet frenzied berserker is somehow involved...

Seriously, barbarians need another PrE or two to add a little variety to the class.

[zebidos]

right now after seeing SA wont get 50%more damage in helpless situation i will change my rogue and roll a barb (yes i will TR him) i was wondering which build should i pick for my new barbarian.? which barbarian will be the best for the DooooOmm update?

I think the obvious choice would be a halfling 18 barb/2 rogue two weapon khopesh thingy and find good smiting, disrupting etc khopeshes.

[Jaid314]

Sneak attack never got those sort of damage bonuses, not even in PnP. I don't know why you expect Turbine to make rogue overpowered now.

I don't know enough about barbarians to know which build you should go for, but I bet frenzied berserker is somehow involved...

Seriously, barbarians need another PrE or two to add a little variety to the class.

nobody got those kinds of bonuses in PnP. and the rogue should get their sneak attack damage, just like everyone else gets all of their damage. not giving rogues their damage is just silly.

[Ystradmynach]

nobody got those kinds of bonuses in PnP. and the rogue should get their sneak attack damage, just like everyone else gets all of their damage. not giving rogues their damage is just silly.

Rogues should get sneak attack damage against helpless targets. They shouldn't get bonus sneak attack damage against helpless targets, because sneak attack damage is already bonus damage against targets that can't defend themselves against the rogue. The rogue's bonus is that they can do sneak attack damage, on top of the bonus weapon damage that everyone gets.

And while this particular bonus is unique to DDO, there were definitely feats and abilities that allowed one to multiply weapon damage in pnp, but they never applied to bonus dice like sneak attacks. And there is probably a good reason for this, multiplicative bonuses can be hard to balance and multiplying bonus dice could cause problems down the road.

[Geraldicus]

Prestige enhancements do seem to be a priority with the devs right now and I'm hoping they give barbarians another one or two within the next couple of updates because my next TR is due to be a barbarian. Frenzied berserkers to me seem a little difficult to get excited about.

[doubledge]

wut? ur rerollin ur rogue?

keep it, as long as you don't have agro, you will be doing way more damage than most barbs.

[stille_nacht]

lol, you are rerolling your rogue into a barb because you want to kill trash faster?

well if you think thatll happen then.... well yeah reroll into barb, just go straight pure, possibly just following a path or something...

[paraplegic]

"Monsters that are helpless take 50% additional damage from all sources, including normal attacks, spells, or environmental effects (before damage reduction is applied). A critical hit on a helpless monster will deal 50% additional critical damage as expected."


now thats what turbine will change with the future, every damage will deal 50% more. BUT rogues SA wont get the 50% (at least in lammania). means now rogues deal poor damage.

if you havent roll a rogue let me tell you what a rogue is about. rogues are:
HIGH DPS
LOW HP (compared to barbs and fighters)
CONTROLLING AGRO
TRAPS

i feel next update rogues will be.

LOW HP
TRAPS
AGRO

(yes not that high DPS (compared to other classes)
now lets compare it to a barbarian in the next update
HIGH DPS
HIGH HP
AGRO (MEH?)

im sorry guys but i really dont plan to be the trap guys, im a rogue because i like the "edge".


Jaid314- this is not PnP, this is DDO, means different.


guys probably in few hours i will find an interesting post, and ill put the link here. so you guys understand. why the change and why TR my rogue

[stille_nacht]

lol, so you think because other classes only get 50% increase instead of 500% increase (see barb crit rage) that rogues will be LOWER dps?

also, hint hint, your sneak attacks till do a lot of damage

[Voldomar]

"Monsters that are helpless take 50% additional damage from all sources, including normal attacks, spells, or environmental effects (before damage reduction is applied). A critical hit on a helpless monster will deal 50% additional critical damage as expected."


now thats what turbine will change with the future, every damage will deal 50% more. BUT rogues SA wont get the 50% (at least in lammania). means now rogues deal poor damage.

Even now on live SA damage is not multiplied on crit on helpless monsters...
Simply put: in u9 rogues won't receive yet another buff ( assassin do, actually... and it's just gravy)

Your rogue will be fine

[vrobel]

Rogues will be top trash killers even after U9 ... you are just overreacting coz everyone else gets 50% extra damage from helpless mobs.

[azmodeus1]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296816

most barb builds are very similar. i'd go thf horc or WF.

you'll kill trash very effectively, do some top dps on bosses, and have the hp to tank it.

[Tom318]

im sorry guys but i really dont plan to be the trap guys, im a rogue because i like the "edge".

If you're not the trap guy, then who is?

[Deathlos]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296816

most barb builds are very similar. i'd go thf horc or WF.

you'll kill trash very effectively, do some top dps on bosses, and have the hp to tank it.

Wut he said

[Franke]

Pre-update everyone gets auto-crit on held mobs,you get that and your SA but your SA isn't multiplied?

Post update everyone gets +50% on held mobs,you get that and your SA which isn't multiplied....

And you got nerfed?

[toughguyjoe]

Pre-update everyone gets auto-crit on held mobs,you get that and your SA but your SA isn't multiplied?

Post update everyone gets +50% on held mobs,you get that and your SA which isn't multiplied....

And you got nerfed?

This.

Don't get me wrong I love my Barb, and I love my Rogue, but jeez man.

Rogue is still going to be awesome DPS. Like the man said: Before, sneak attacks had no extra bonus on held targets. After, sneak attacks will still have no extra bonus.

Over all, on held mobs spell damage went up, Melee damage went down. Rogues got hit the softest because their biggest damage producer(Sneak Attacks) still does the same damage it did.

Everyone else is going from big crits to more solid hits. Get it?

[mournbladereigns]

pre-update Everyone Gets Auto-crit On Held Mobs,you Get That And Your Sa But Your Sa Isn't Multiplied?

Post Update Everyone Gets +50% On Held Mobs,you Get That And Your Sa Which Isn't Multiplied....
And Assassinate And Vorpal Strike That Works In Epics (and High Crit Range Is Favored Post U9, Qq For Pick Fighters)

And You Got Nerfed?

Fixed

[Bodic]

It is OP [(14-17)d6+(12-31)/2]*3 is alot of constant DPS or (39)144-(72)200
It is not a Nerf its an Exclusion

I am upset yes.
My favorite toon is My Rogue.
Assassin +'s VORPAL damage and Assassinate(orange and below) work on all mobs.
=PrE in full use.

but lets go with max hit using a 50% SA
a DS nat20 weaponA+300x2 + offhand proc weaponB+300= weapA*2+weapB+900=alot of damage done. A barb can do this also, but 19-20
so Not OP