Pure FB Barb Min II GS

[arjiwan]

Greetings All,

I checked (and googled) all the posts regarding the Min II Greensteel Great axe. The last discussion I saw was from 1-2 years ago. I would like to ask some help regarding the construction of this GS.

Pure FB Human Barb. Already has a POS/POS Maul.
Other items, if it is important:
Head: Minos
Str 6
Con 6
Bloodstone
brawling gloves

So now, my question is, regarding the next crafting update, will Min 2 still be a viable solution? For example, I think it would be possible to Craft now the Metalline PG of +5 Great axe.

If it is still viable, I am leaning towards Holy / Acid. Now I am thinking if the third tier will be either +2 Con exceptional or Acid Blast. I am leaning towards the Acid blast because of the full possible dps. Survivability will be a less of a problem because she will always be with a cleric (me). So I rather her to kill everyone for me.

We are not yet planning to do epics because we don't have the carnival pack yet. I think epic Sands will be very very hard. So we will be mostly playing Amrath, maybe hard or elite.

Thoughts?

Thanks for your help in advance!

Cheers!

[IgorHackNSlasher]

Personally I dont think a min2 weapon is worth it anymore. If your capped Epic Antique GreatAx is a great weapon with good in augment slot so just get a Metalline of PG weapon until you get the carnival pack. If you go holy/acid then your T3 will be acid blast. You have to take the same path on your dual T3 shard or it wont work. If you want your +2 ex con you'd need to go holy/+1 ex con. You can always put +2 ex con on one of your ToD rings.

[arjiwan]

Thanks for the reply.

How about for TR?

[arjiwan]

Bump Bump... Any more thoughts?

I know you guys are busy with the upcoming with the Epic Changes. Hope you can help me on this.


Cheers!

[Shade]

Recommend you search first.. But here I searched for ya, just entered "greatsword" in melee forum and here is the most relevant recent discussion:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ght=greatsword

BTW The discussions from 1-X years are still valid today. Nothings changed in the land of min2's imo. There was the transmuting nerf sure, but that never really had significant any impact in min2s.

Falcions may become a more solid choice in update9 given the removal of auto crits. But imo greataxes are still very solid due to faster swing speeds and chance for big 1 shot kills without stopping to worry about getting those rolls of 15+ in to keep your average dps up.

Greatswords I still cannot recommend in any way or form.

Epic Antique greataxe as an alternatively imo is a poor recommendation. Dont recommend you do epics, even very easy ones like that until you have some form of greensteel. Be it a basic tier2 mineral1.. or double post. Something.

[stille_nacht]

keep in mind that Lit II does more damage against virtually all trash mobs, as well as raid bosses on normal.

Also, Holy Acid burst> Acid Good burst

Why? because holy does more damage against evil than good burst, and acid burst does more damage than acid.

Neutral mobs can be ignored, mostly because there are virtually no neutral mobs that you even care much about.

[arjiwan]

Thanks all for the reply.

Recommend you search first.. But here I searched for ya, just entered "greatsword" in melee forum and here is the most relevant recent discussion:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ght=greatsword

Hi Shade,

I value your opinions on GS items for DPS. I did search the forums, though, I am not asking for GA vs GS. I am definitely decided to go Great Axe. My question is Min II vs +5 Metalline Great axe of pure good crafted.

BTW The discussions from 1-X years are still valid today. Nothings changed in the land of min2's imo. There was the transmuting nerf sure, but that never really had significant any impact in min2s.

Thanks again. Since Min2 is still a valid option, my next question (from my original post), Holy / Acid Burst / Acid Blast for the Min2 tiers? Or go for the exceptional con +2. I rather have the Acid Blast though.

keep in mind that Lit II does more damage against virtually all trash mobs, as well as raid bosses on normal.

Also, Holy Acid burst> Acid Good burst

Why? because holy does more damage against evil than good burst, and acid burst does more damage than acid.

Neutral mobs can be ignored, mostly because there are virtually no neutral mobs that you even care much about.

Thanks for the reply. I think I'll go the Min2 path instead of the Lit2 since we will tackle more than the normal difficulty.


Cheers all!

[AylinIsAwesome]

ever really had significant any impact in min2s.

Falcions may become a more solid choice in update9 given the removal of auto crits. But imo greataxes are still very solid due to faster swing speeds and chance for big 1 shot kills without stopping to worry about getting those rolls of 15+ in to keep your average dps up.

Do you have a link showing that Falchions swing slower? You provided one that showed that Greatswords swing slower, but not Falchions.

Greatswords I still cannot recommend in any way or form.

Epic Antique greataxe as an alternatively imo is a poor recommendation.

Agree here.

[TheDjinnFor]

So now, my question is, regarding the next crafting update, will Min 2 still be a viable solution? For example, I think it would be possible to Craft now the Metalline PG of +5 Great axe.

Here's a quick run-by of the numbers. It obviously doesn't include build-specific numbers since it won't matter.

+5 Metalline of Pure Good
Base Damage: 1d12+5 (11.5)
Pure Good: +1d6 (3.5)
= 14 + Str Mod/PA/etc. + Frenzy/Death Frenzy + etc.

Critical Hits (19-20): 5d12+25 (57.5)
Pure Good: +1d6 (3.5)
= 61 + 5*(Str Mod/PA/etc.) + Frenzy/Death Frenzy + etc.

+5 Great Commander Greensteel Greataxe of Mineral II
Base Damage: 3d6+5 (15.5)
Holy: +2d6 (7)
Acid: +1d6 (3.5)
Slicing: +1d4 (2.5)
= 28.5 + Str Mod/PA/etc. + Frenzy/Death Frenzy + etc.

Critical Hits (19-20): 15d6+25 (77.5)
Holy: +2d6 (7)
Acid: +1d6 (3.5)
Acid Burst: +2d10 (11)
Acid Blast: +2d6 (4d6 on 20 = 2d6 on 19-20) (7)
Slicing: +1d4 (2.5)
= 119+5*(Str Mod/PA/etc.) + Frenzy/Death Frenzy + etc.

Clearly the Min II is out-DPSing the MoPG. Even assuming that the enemy is immune to acid, holy, acid burst, acid blast and slicing, but is not immune to pure good, the Mineral 2 easily out-DPSes it because of the base damage increase (1d12+5 -> 3d6+5 is HUGE both for regular swings and critical hits).

Also, make Holy-Acid Burst-Acid Blast.

[arjiwan]

*snip*

Thanks so much. +1

[Shade]

Do you have a link showing that Falchions swing slower? You provided one that showed that Greatswords swing slower, but not Falchions.
.

You need a link?

Just go ingame and swing them. They have identical animations, and thus swingrates. Vanshilar lumped them both into the "slowTHF" group, as they are the same.

slowTHF = greatclub, greatsword, falcion
fastTHF = Greataxe, Maul
special THF = Qstaff (on par with greataxe, but cannot twitch effectively)