Need deathblock and vorpals for hound

[lord_of_rage]

So I see this Hound LFM up saying you need deathblock and vorpals to join. So I start a conversation. I then get told he is a "seasoned veteran player". I cant say I can ever recall a time where greensteel, vorpals or deathblock was required to complete a hound. I just dont get it.

[voodoogroves]

The little doggies are too hard to kill without vorpals. Srsly.

[Sneakee]

Vorpals?????

Yup -that's just what ya need - puppies being vorpalled accidentally before they get into the middle....

[AltheaSteelrain]

maybe he is expecting lots of reavers and beholders spawning in the run??? o.o

[Qezuzu]

Vorpals?????

Yup -that's just what ya need - puppies being vorpalled accidentally before they get into the middle....

The chance of rolling a 20 exponentially increases the higher the importance of not killing a mob. *Same with magma surge*

[Redcoil]

None of my tanks even run with greensteel items atm... interesting. Not even my monk!

[articwarrior]

None of my tanks even run with greensteel items atm... interesting. Not even my monk!

remind me not to run with you

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Newbies are taught the easiest way to do raids and are spoon-fed all of the readily available conveniences from 2009+, so they make it the norm.

They don't even stop to think that there was a time where even Green Steel didn't exist (although I wish I were around then). How do they think the raid was done back when it first came out?

It's just sad, especially when they don't want to learn.

[Freeman]

You run it without vorpals and deathblock? Sure, we believe you. Next, you'll probably tell us that you also manage to run quests without ship buffs or some other crazy thing

[eonfreon]

Newbies are taught the easiest way to do raids and are spoon-fed all of the readily available conveniences from 2009+, so they make it the norm.

They don't even stop to think that there was a time where even Green Steel didn't exist (although I wish I were around then). How do they think the raid was done back when it first came out?

It's just sad, especially when they don't want to learn.

Well, there's no real reason to need those, but when the Raid came out I'd say pretty much 90%+ of the endgame players had Deathblock and Vorpals. We were at cap for a loooooooong time. Was pretty hard not to have those items at that time.

Doesn't excuse the "veteran" player from requiring those (although his LFM, his rules) but I just figured I'd point out that very few Veterans didn't have those items by the time the Raid came out.

[Qezuzu]

So I see this Hound LFM up saying you need deathblock and vorpals to join. So I start a conversation. I then get told he is a "seasoned veteran player". I cant say I can ever recall a time where greensteel, vorpals or deathblock was required to complete a hound. I just dont get it.

Vorpals are for killing the trash faster, probably. And puppies.

Not sure about deathblock. The puppies don't Phantasmal Killer, they do Horrid Wilting. The Beholders maybe? But when the beholders come out, some people failing a FoD is the least of your worries.

Requiring Greensteel automatically disqualifies someone as a "veteran" player.

[lord_of_rage]

Vorpals are for killing the trash faster, probably. And puppies.

Not sure about deathblock. The puppies don't Phantasmal Killer, they do Horrid Wilting. The Beholders maybe? But when the beholders come out, some people failing a FoD is the least of your worries.

Requiring Greensteel automatically disqualifies someone as a "veteran" player.

Again you do not need them to complete a hound run. The beholders coming out isnt fun but you can still complete. I remember the days Disavowed, Beergirl, myself and a group of regulars used to run 12-14 hounds. We didnt have issues completing then. With or without deathblock and vorpals. I didnt need an explanation of what they do. Im aware of each item's function. My point is its sad that people think you need this specific gear to complete a very easy raid. Esp when someone claims to be a "seasoned veteran". There have been a lot of unsuccessful hounds as of late on this server. Maybe its because alot of us old hands dont run it as much anymore, and thus havent been teaching the proven tactics. This lfm just adds more fuel to the fire.

[lugoman]

I am assuming this was a pug. If someone doesnt have a vorpal by the time they are running HoX, they probably cant dps a reaver either so why take them? I am guessing the deathward item is for the run to HoX more than for the quest itself.

[Meetch1972]

I am guessing the deathward item is for the run to HoX more than for the quest itself.

This is the easy part. Nominate a skipper and have everyone else ride in his or her pack. Rez at the shrine near the entrance, and done!

The only bit that would get particularly annoying is all those ghosts teleporting on top of you every 11-12 seconds...

I've missed raiding... main's just hit L13 on TR 1, so subterrain, watch out!

[uhgungawa]

Vorpals are for killing the trash faster, probably. And puppies.
On normal it's faster to DPS the trash than Vorp them. Plus no chance to vorp the pups

Not sure about deathblock. The puppies don't Phantasmal Killer, they do Horrid Wilting. The Beholders maybe? But when the beholders come out, some people failing a FoD is the least of your worries.
Mass deathward, and if you see the Beholders on norm you've already failed

Requiring Greensteel automatically disqualifies someone as a "veteran" player.
Greensteal is just an extra, just like an Epic SoS but definitely not a must have

In that color