Wizard 12/Ranger 6/Rogue 2 (strange build) Any comments?

[forinos]

Hi, I'm relatively new to the forums (although I'm not new to the game ^_^) I was mucking around the DDO Character Planner when I came up with this crazy idea for a build:

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Felsorn Palavari
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 210
Spell Points: 1052 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    18
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         10                    13
Intelligence         15                    24
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    22
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                    23.5
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    24.5
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  6                    18
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  6                     9
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         6                    18
Open Lock             6                    23
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     7
Search                6                    24
Spot                  6                    24.5
Swim                  6                     9
Tumble                6                    12.5
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 10 (Wizard)


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 13 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Augment Summoning
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Intelligence I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Deepwood Sniper I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Improved Spot I
Enhancement: Improved Spot II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Mage
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith

Sorry about all the enhancements applied at level 20, it just works better for me to plan my character that way :P

The idea behind it was to be able to do some trap-monkeying on top of spellcasting/summoning (pale master) and to possibly go into lich or wraith form to deal some serious ranged/melee damage.

Plus:

Could have some good all-around adaptability. The focus on a combination of trap-sensing/disabling, spellcasting and melee/ranged damage could make this character more versatile and possibly a tad more survivable than, say, a pure wizard. Also, being human gave him extra stat-boosting enhancements, as well as an extra feat.

Minus:

Might not have the most powerful spells by endgame for them to be any good. Same goes for trap-sensing/disabling (I tried to get around that by improving his skill boosts as much as I could). Also, the lack of Use Magic Device could hurt the character until he started getting his wizard levels.

Questions on the build:

What if I spent a feat on trap-making? Is that possible at Rogue level 2? I don't know that much about it, but it would give this character an extra edge to take advantage of.

Comment on this build! I want to see what the forum community thinks about this build! Also, if you have any suggestions on how to possibly improve the build, it would be fantastic ^_^

Sincerely,

Forinos

[redraider]

Depends on your main goal. If you are like some of the power gamer guys you will find here on the forums and just want to get to end game as quickly as possible, then this build will probably suck at end epic game content. Not enough DC to hit with spells. Not enough damage from DPS spells. Not enough "to hit" and damage to really be effective DPS. And epic doesn't need buff bots.

Having said all that, if your goal is to play 1-20 and enjoy the journey, this would probably be a lot of fun. You might have some issue at 15+ getting into groups with the odd build, but overall you'll probably have a blast.

Trap making is a quirk (and fun if you solo) but not really useful in parties.

I hope this helped!

[Therigar]

For non-epic play you can do just about anything. That includes 12/6/2 multiclasses like this.

However, you are missing out on most of the strength in the wizard class by losing the higher level spells. And, as has been pointed out, your ability to stick spells against higher level monsters (those that have spell resistance or good saving throws) will be very low. The result is that you will be good in dungeons listed as L13 and lower but will be weaker and weaker against the monsters in L14 and higher dungeons.

The practical limit to where you will be able to adventure with good success is probably Gianthold on normal. (All the dungeons there are L13 or L14 on normal.)

The ranger levels are too few to really matter if you are thinking melee. Yes, you'll gain some free feats out of it that look good on paper but your lack of HP will hurt. (Remember, you are mostly a wizard with 4 HP per level before CON adjustments.) You also won't have much AC. So, while you will benefit from lich form and blur or displacement it could get nasty when you do get hit. What it means is that you won't be able to wade into combat on the higher level dungeons either. Once more, you will probably do fine up to about Gianthold....

[Carpone]

Hit Points: 210
Spell Points: 1052
BAB: 13\13\18\23

I can't think of a single place in game where a character with those stats is useful.

Ask yourself why you want to be a trap monkey. You can avoid almost every trap in the game. For those that you can't (like epic Under the Big Top), Improved Evasion or simply getting rezzed is a workaround. There are very few quests where it's worthwhile for you to disable all the traps when leveling for the XP bonus (Monastery of the Scorpion comes to mind), assuming the rest of your team is not waiting around on you.

[Phidius]

I'd drop your wisdom, and get more Con. More Int would help with your skill points, as would taking your 2nd rogue level later.

I've got a WF 11 Wiz/6 Ranger/3 Rogue, but it's a completely different build with more emphasis on melee. If you're interested in comparing the two, click the Gemstone link in my sig.

[Xandez]

here is also 1 such build, does look kinda interesting
*edit*
oops 2 monk instead of rogue... well, close

*edit2*
Phidius has made this build also, wtg

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214937

[muncholuncho]

pay no attention to my sig.

[Crystalizer]

hi OP, since my main is an hybrid (sor16/mnk2/ftr2) i may give you some tips about your build

first of all you can melee with an hybrid in epic content and provide dps, not the best for sure but still some decent one, but you will need to farm loads of high-end gears to be decent. on the other hand, even if long is the road, you will be happy when your character will be "finished" and infinitely more powerful than most straight dps build.

now about your build : if you choose to multiclass your wizard with 6 ranger levels that means you want to melee, and you also want the tempest 1 enhancement, then you need related feats. secondly, you wont put your level points in intelligence since anyway your DC will be too low so forget about DC based spells, but put them in strength. also you will need divine power clickies to buff your tohit.

...http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214937

that build is a good hybrid, you should look at it OP

[muncholuncho]

yeah what he said.

24-26 int is fine for build

30 str is about where ya would want to be.

and yes toon will be a divine power junkie.

build umd into toon mine has a 35 umd and it is very handy.


edit: dps will never be top notch when I built mine he was a stat damage toon ( in the good old days when 0 con = dead mob).

[Crystalizer]

with that sort of build you need to see dps on a different angle, since your arcane dps will be quite more powerful than a barbarian dps on some occasions (where wof owns).

but about epic stuff this is clear that arcane dps is a joke since epic is mostly hack'n'slash, leaving arcanes useless anyway apart from buffing & mass hold & otto's irresistible dance. still with a multi having 16 sor or wiz you have otto's irresistible dance, so then you "only" have a spell penetration problem, where epic torc is very handy

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Rgr/Rog/Wiz?! Where do these people get these crazy ideas?!

[Phidius]

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now about your build : if you choose to multiclass your wizard with 6 ranger levels that means you want to melee, and you also want the tempest 1 enhancement, then you need related feats
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I don't recommend Tempest1 - the benefit isn't worth the cost IMO. It used to be, but not anymore.

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secondly, you wont put your level points in intelligence since anyway your DC will be too low so forget about DC based spells, but put them in strength. also you will need divine power clickies to buff your tohit.
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Agreed - I put enough points into Int at creating to get the number of skills I want, not for casting.

I'm too lazy to keep Divine Power up all the time, so I normally only turn on PA for minibosses and bosses.

[fluffi]

I have a THF kensai WF one but with fighter instead of ranger = 12/6/2. Full rogue skills and UMD make it nice.
I started 18 str and maxed it out with level ups = 34 str with rage, 579 hp and horrible DC's. You get 5 haste boosts and my base min2 crit damage is about 125 with arrowhead and having ITHF and wf adaptabilty, the glancing blows are nice.
Currently I'm using wraith form so I get 50% from displacement then 25% from wraith = 62.5% chance to miss. With death aura on you're usually full hp.

I'm thinking of changing to force AM to get decent ranged attack, even though necro bolt is nice.
I dropped IC-slashing since I usually use a Min2 falcion.

Build is a blast to play and was awesome to level. End-game, you usually have to send some breakdown (str, hp, weapons, # completions, etc) to get into raids, esp ToD and VoD (tanked Sulu a couple times).

[Crystalizer]

well 6 ranger gives you +2 str from ram's migth isnt it ? while 6 fighter gives you +2 str from enhancements, a bit more hp and haste enhancement. you got 4 feats with fighter, ranger gives you feats boosting your range abilities. i think i would go fighter, at least this is what i did on all my battlewizards, but as a 2 fighter splash and 2 rogue or monk. kensai should help a bit about tohit & dps.