Experienced players only

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Point 1 You are not axer. Yes I understand that since you have got a copy of A-Os dps calculator you have been up on your high horse. But having a copy of a program someone else wrote doesnt make you the be all end all. Point 2 any class can handle the swim and the agility room. Its just going to take pots and more time. Was it a **** cold night for a **** bad pug? Were trying to figure out this life? or that pug? Id have had some respect if you had said "I blasted some Mercenary or Testament, Death, Pyramaze, Iced Earth, Carcass , Dio" or someone worthy of being blasted. But Avril Lavine????? Where is your manhood and self respect?

What does being Axer have to do with soloing most of Crucible because of a bad group? I keep all my Axer talk in his build threads where they belong, and his build not even being endgame doesn't apply at all here. Anyone can solo a quest if they are capable enough. Your sentence was just pointless "trolling."

Any class can handle the swim? Well, I'd like to see you prove that. On elite, it's nearly an instant kill for a 14 fighter / 2 barb, depending on their hit points. They will fail the save roughly 50-75% of the time, and the trap easily deals up to 200 damage, even with 10 DR. One or two twitching mistakes and you're skewered.

[NaturalHazard]

This happens all the time, especially at lower levels... but occasionally you'll pop into a higher level group that is just a terrible waste.

Also the swim is quite doable if you've got the mario skills... the agility horn would be a bit deadly though.

Cheer up and smash the next noobs face you group with...

Also whats with the avril? Really?

My mate who was my flatmate was into avril, we gave him a lot of **** about it!! lol well at least part of that was he thought she was uber hot, though I dont really see the appeal.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

Any class can handle the swim? Well, I'd like to see you prove that. On elite, it's nearly an instant kill for a 14 fighter / 2 barb, depending on their hit points. They will fail the save roughly 50-75% of the time, and the trap easily deals up to 200 damage, even with 10 DR. One or two twitching mistakes and you're skewered.

Who ever said anything about elite?

[Braegan]

Who ever said anything about elite?

The Op applied to an Elite run. Stay on topic please.

[Chai]

What does being Axer have to do with soloing most of Crucible because of a bad group? I keep all my Axer talk in his build threads where they belong, and his build not even being endgame doesn't apply at all here. Anyone can solo a quest if they are capable enough. Your sentence was just pointless "trolling."

Any class can handle the swim? Well, I'd like to see you prove that. On elite, it's nearly an instant kill for a 14 fighter / 2 barb, depending on their hit points. They will fail the save roughly 50-75% of the time, and the trap easily deals up to 200 damage, even with 10 DR. One or two twitching mistakes and you're skewered.

You do realize you can stop in there and drink pots pretty much any time you want right? Its not necessary to make a B-line straight for the fans.

On elite its nearly insta kill for someone without a 40 or so reflex, IF you are relying on reflex save alone, which is what the people saying you NEED an evasion toon are doing. The rest of us who know better stop and drink pots, regardless of other circumstances we like to banter.

Even then, getting killed by the dice isnt uncommon. Its almost better to take a higher HP tank in there than a lower hp evasion who can die by failing one save. Evasion or not, if you get hit once down there you will have to drink pots. All these strength rogues nowdays dont have the save to do crucible on elite and rely only on the save to succeed, especially at level 14. Boosts cant be popped underwater. When dex builds were more popular you might have had a point. I was still doing the swim then on what I was playing, regardless, if it was necessary. A 5-6 minute swim isnt that bad when considering that someone dying down there could mean alot more time salvaging the situation....

.....Or alot more time on the boards moaning about how everyone else is a noob and screwed up our 1337 runs. If it werent for these 5 pile ons in the group I would always succeed, right? "Experienced players" now all of a sudden translates into "I have no obligation to help you whatsoever. In fact I dont want to communicate with you at all." Do we see how this fails in forced cooperation gaming as of yet? If not, please pull out your club of dead equine bane, and join the party.

[Emili]

Do you want a cookie? Man this sort of thing happens all the time. Just go solo something or whatever next time.

I was thinking the same thing...

Who ever said anything about elite?

The OP states was an elite run... which could be solo'd on any class really easy at one time in the past. Used to swim it very well on some non-evasive toons often times never a scratch.

Today you need either a lot of swim practice or a decent evasion toon for the swim although I did make the swim recently on my fighter on hard at level to rescue a rogue but it took me a good portion of the quest time ... picked up their stone and swam to the horn area and res'd them...

I for one think the dev's are still pretty silly for the "elite" trap damages... sure in the past people run thru them all but they're not suppose to be tougher than the bloody mob in the quest. When you look at epics are the traps weaker yes the DC to remove them higher quite bloody backwards in design.

[lord_of_rage]

Someone plays a melee, learns how to play it well and how to optimize it and suddenly they become an Axer wannabe.

Again with the it's not my DPS calc argument. I've not only posted hand done calculations with complete breakdowns in the past, I've also spent plenty of time testing things for myself. The fact that it is not my DPS calc makes no difference to the results it gives.

I assume you have seen my Fighter build, it does not have large amounts of AC, nor a good reflex save. The Crucible does not sport many spots to get the extra HP from madstone leaving ~400 HP to take full damage from every trap on the way to the horn.

I've done the swim on a Barb before, it was a waste of time and resources.



Is liking a wide range of music that uncommon?

I don't solely listen to Avril Lavigne, while you try and act cool by naming metal and death metal bands I can counter that just as easily. On normal day I will listen to music from many different genres. For example today I listened to Sinatra, Soilwork, August Burns Red, E.S. Posthumus, Tchaikovsky and Rise Against.

Its not because you learned to play a melee. Its because you have grown a massive ego. You used to be solid forum poster. But you have become in love with yourself and all your builds as being the best. You always rely on numbers from A-Os calc tool. Not anything you have come up with. You are venting about the run. If you think you are that uber than solo it. You save you have done the swim. Then you know it can be done sans evasion.

As far as music goes yes attempting to act hard by saying you "blasted Avril Lavine" was wayyy too funny. I wasnt acting cool I was simply listing bands worthy of being "blasted". I'm sure my musical tastes are just as diverse as yours if not more so. So I dont really see you countering it. But to feed you yesterday shuffle had, Lorena McKinnet, Megadeth, Tears For Fears, Control Denied, Grand Magus, Enya, BB King, Wagner, Soliten Assembly, Soilwork, Shadowsfall, Evergrey, Opeth, The Alex Skolnick Trio, Martin Page and many more.

[lord_of_rage]

What does being Axer have to do with soloing most of Crucible because of a bad group? I keep all my Axer talk in his build threads where they belong, and his build not even being endgame doesn't apply at all here. Anyone can solo a quest if they are capable enough. Your sentence was just pointless "trolling."

Any class can handle the swim? Well, I'd like to see you prove that. On elite, it's nearly an instant kill for a 14 fighter / 2 barb, depending on their hit points. They will fail the save roughly 50-75% of the time, and the trap easily deals up to 200 damage, even with 10 DR. One or two twitching mistakes and you're skewered.

Hey wraith90% of the posts I see from you are "trolling". Nice job with the pot calling the kettle black. I never realized that I had to conform to your rules to post on the forums. As to the swim on a 400 hp fighter well you get hit, stop, drink pots, continue, get hit, stop, drink pots, rinse and repeat. Also note that you contradicted yourself in your own post. First you say anyone can solo a a quest if you are capable enough. You then go on to say that any class cant handle the swim. Doesnt point B contradict point A. So which is it? Can anyone solo the quest if they are capable enough? Or not? Wouldn't that include any class if the player had the skill?

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Hey wraith90% of the posts I see from you are "trolling". Nice job with the pot calling the kettle black. I never realized that I had to conform to your rules to post on the forums. As to the swim on a 400 hp fighter well you get hit, stop, drink pots, continue, get hit, stop, drink pots, rinse and repeat. Also note that you contradicted yourself in your own post. First you say anyone can solo a a quest if you are capable enough. You then go on to say that any class cant handle the swim. Doesnt point B contradict point A. So which is it? Can anyone solo the quest if they are capable enough? Or not? Wouldn't that include any class if the player had the skill?

It's because you can't read. You infer things I didn't say. I never said "any class can't handle the swim."

Maybe I should be more clear for you: Any competent player can solo a quest that is capable of being soloed. That doesn't mean I would solo Crucible elite on a Wizard, for example. I would pick a better class suited to it, since you can easily die in 1 hit. Don't think there's a rule that says you need to solo quests with specific classes. Course that doesn't change the fact that you attack Consumer based on his build, which still has no bearing in this quest. Where's your justification?

Of course you can stop and drink potions, but you can't very well do that if you're dead now can you? If you mess up and the current carries you a few inches too far of where you meant to stop, you will take multiple hits and most likely die from the 400+ damage.

[Arryeo]

30 minutes have gone on the timer of my ship buffs before I can get them to enter the quest.

You waited that long and then expected things to go well inside the quest?

[Fattiest]

Once I got back there was only the last passage and final fight to go so I blasted some Avril Lavigne, killed everything and finished the quest. .

LOL, dude you gotta get some better stuff than that.........at the very least it should be Five Finger Deathpunch........upgrade from there.

[Consumer]

Its not because you learned to play a melee. Its because you have grown a massive ego. You used to be solid forum poster. But you have become in love with yourself and all your builds as being the best. You always rely on numbers from A-Os calc tool. Not anything you have come up with.

I've proven this to be not true in the past, no need to go over it again.

You are venting about the run. If you think you are that uber than solo it. You save you have done the swim. Then you know it can be done sans evasion.

I did the swim on hard with ~750 HP on a level 20 Barb, it's not worth doing with 400 HP on elite at level 16.

As far as music goes yes attempting to act hard by saying you "blasted Avril Lavine" was wayyy too funny. I wasnt acting cool I was simply listing bands worthy of being "blasted". I'm sure my musical tastes are just as diverse as yours if not more so. So I dont really see you countering it. But to feed you yesterday shuffle had, Lorena McKinnet, Megadeth, Tears For Fears, Control Denied, Grand Magus, Enya, BB King, Wagner, Soliten Assembly, Soilwork, Shadowsfall, Evergrey, Opeth, The Alex Skolnick Trio, Martin Page and many more.

Ah, you think I was attempting to act hard, not just posting something slightly humorous to lighten up the post?

If I wanted to "act hard" there are plenty of other things I could have put in place of playing some music. If you feel threatened by my posting or feel the need to try and counter my ego, if it as big as you think it is, would it not be better to just ignore me.

[azrael4h]

The swim would be possible on any class - just bring heal pots.
The horn of agility..probably not so much.

I ran that on my Paladin, before respeccing into a Monk splash for evasion. Haste pot plus run like hell FTW! Did get lucky on trap placement though.

[Zharfie]

getting to the horn of agility without hitting single trap is easy, no need for evasion on that... but you do need at least some hit points to get out of the room after grabbing the horn since it's pretty much filled with traps... did it on my pally on hard but I'm not exactly sure if I could've survived it on elite...

oh, this is also one of my favourite quests
oh number 2: don't join "experienced players only" groups

[smithtj3]

The adolescent male is an impressive and awe inspiring beast when placed inside the confines of a MMORPG. Their complete lack of self confidence (puberty is some wild sh*t. Girls could totally be every where at any moment! *** IS ALGEBRA!?) coupled with an environment that bears not immediate consequence for even the most egregious of actions turns these otherwise inconsequential 13 year olds into e-peen raging murderous sociopaths with no sense of leadership, discretion, or general common courtesy.

Sure they don't want to look stupid because well, you could be 24 which is way old and you can drive and finished high school, but they aren't going to listen you either because you're a n00b. They manage to find that middle ground that involves only communicating to brag about how much better they are at stuff than you but don't actually take action because that might impose responsibility on them.

Sure you had to wait nearly and hour for a full party to get started on a quest, but that group leader had hot pockets to eat, a mother to scream at over texting charges, and three Facebook pokes to carefully negotiate. Not to mention that Yugio GX just came on, granted it was a rerun, but that mo fo knows how to make the green! If anyone was selfish and rude, it was you.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

The Op applied to an Elite run. Stay on topic please.

Yes, but later in the thread, they were discussing normal vis a vis the swim.

And don't tell me to stay on topic bud.

[Consumer]

And don't tell me to stay on topic bud.

He's not your bud, guy.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Sure they don't want to look stupid because well, you could be 24 which is way old and you can drive and finished high school, but they aren't going to listen you either because you're a n00b. They manage to find that middle ground that involves only communicating to brag about how much better they are at stuff than you but don't actually take action because that might impose responsibility on them.

Sure you had to wait nearly and hour for a full party to get started on a quest, but that group leader had hot pockets to eat, a mother to scream at over texting charges, and three Facebook pokes to carefully negotiate. Not to mention that Yugio GX just came on, granted it was a rerun, but that mo fo knows how to make the green! If anyone was selfish and rude, it was you.

You must be way older than 24, because that show ended almost 3 years ago.

[lord_of_rage]

It's because you can't read. You infer things I didn't say. I never said "any class can't handle the swim."

Maybe I should be more clear for you: Any competent player can solo a quest that is capable of being soloed. That doesn't mean I would solo Crucible elite on a Wizard, for example. I would pick a better class suited to it, since you can easily die in 1 hit. Don't think there's a rule that says you need to solo quests with specific classes. Course that doesn't change the fact that you attack Consumer based on his build, which still has no bearing in this quest. Where's your justification?

Of course you can stop and drink potions, but you can't very well do that if you're dead now can you? If you mess up and the current carries you a few inches too far of where you meant to stop, you will take multiple hits and most likely die from the 400+ damage.

Where exactly did I attack consumer based on his build? Are you "infering" that my saying he can solo the swim is attacking his build? Would you be the pot calling the kettle black again? Ive made the swim on 400 hp melees without evasion on elite. It can be done. Again the Crucible is very easily soloed. You may die but in that case Im sure we can come up with plenty of what ifs too. Did I say there was a rule that says you need to solo certain quests with specific classes? No I didnt. Would that be you "infering" again? Im really failing to see a point here.

[lord_of_rage]

I've proven this to be not true in the past, no need to go over it again.



I did the swim on hard with ~750 HP on a level 20 Barb, it's not worth doing with 400 HP on elite at level 16.



Ah, you think I was attempting to act hard, not just posting something slightly humorous to lighten up the post?

If I wanted to "act hard" there are plenty of other things I could have put in place of playing some music. If you feel threatened by my posting or feel the need to try and counter my ego, if it as big as you think it is, would it not be better to just ignore me.

Where have you proven this not to be true? I have yet to see any proof.

The post was you complaining. That was humorous in of itself. Where have I ever said I feel threatened by you? Would that count as you "infering" or assuming things? Why would I ignore you? No calling you is more fun. Really you had issues doing the swim on a lvl20 with 750 hp on hard? Wow no comment.