Experienced players only

[Sirea]

Sorry but out of the whole story that caught my eye the most. Perhaps, still the am coffee kicking in but Avril Lavigne is stomping the yard music?

On topic, sounds like the pugs I get all the time.

Yeah, he had me all the way up to the Avril Lavigne mention. I couldn't take him seriously after that.

[Consumer]

Yeah, he had me all the way up to the Avril Lavigne mention. I couldn't take him seriously after that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1py...eature=related

[sirdanile]

This happens all the time, especially at lower levels... but occasionally you'll pop into a higher level group that is just a terrible waste.

Also the swim is quite doable if you've got the mario skills... the agility horn would be a bit deadly though.

Cheer up and smash the next noobs face you group with...

Also whats with the avril? Really?

[kazeikan]

Ham sandwiches + bad canadian singers + lazy pug = whining + piggy photos

[Calebro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1py...eature=related

If that means what I think it means, you may have answered your own question as to why the group was teh suxorz.

[timetorun177]

Solo the swim and agility horn on my 14 Fighter 2 Barb, excellent idea.

Not often do I see an idea as incredibly amazingly good as that.

Its difficult?

[Tobril]

Solo the swim and agility horn on my 14 Fighter 2 Barb, excellent idea.

Not often do I see an idea as incredibly amazingly good as that.

This is extremely challenging without high saves and evasion, but not impossible.


Sucks to be in pugsville, better luck next time dude.


+1 to make up for crappy sandwiches.

[lord_of_rage]

Story (rant) time

LFM was up - Crucible Elite Experienced players



I join and clear the way to the quest, recall, head back to the ship and get buffed and make it back to the quest entrance before anyone else has entered GH or spoken.

There were 4 people in the party at this point so I asked how many new the maze. 1 of the other 3 "experienced" players new the maze.

10 minutes go by and the 1 member who knows the maze logs out without warning. Another 5 go by and even though the party is capable of completing we have to wait for the party leader to get moving.

30 minutes have gone on the timer of my ship buffs before I can get them to enter the quest.

I ask if anyone has diplo for the champions, we have to wait for the Bard to enter to buff the Cleric to give him enough diplo for these champions. The Cleric doesn't have enough fully buffed but the Wizard (party leader says he can get it). He proceeds to log out without warning. No one else wants to carry on without him so we sit there for 5 minutes waiting for him to reconnect. Luckily I have the star now and the gimping can end. Once he reconnects it turns out although he been waiting 30+ minutes for the party to fill the Wizard isn't even in GH yet. Takes him another 5 minutes to get there and he asks for a share at the door...

He gets in, is buffed by the Bard and then stands still, his one ****ing job is to diplo the champions and he stands there like a muppet not doing anything. He finally gets moving and it takes him several minutes to talk to 4 mobs. I 100% regret mentioning the champions and will never do so again.

Were finally moving and I have to lead the party of players who either clicked on or put up and lfm that said experienced players through the maze. The maze can be a pain at the best of times but when leading a party full of players that struggle to follow simple instructions it gets annoying quickly. I get and place all 3 crests myself because the party is incapable of following instructions. I was rather rude to some of the players.

Luckily the Clonk wasn't a complete simpleton and managed to get through the swim and agility horn after some persuasion.

My lunch was ready halfway through endurance horn and there was no way I was missing it for the party. Tuned out to be some greatly disappointing ham sandwiches. Once I got back there was only the last passage and final fight to go so I blasted some Avril Lavigne, killed everything and finished the quest. Massive waste of life.




Points to make / Cliffs:

Why does it take 30 minutes just to make it to a quest, it's a 5 minute run from anywhere in the game at max, get your act together.

Why click on or put up and LFM requiring experienced players if you are not experienced. You will not be in a party with me again if you do this. You should ask for help instead of deceiving people to get it.

Avoid optionals in PUGs at all costs. They just slow down exp and waste sp.

Point 1 You are not axer. Yes I understand that since you have got a copy of A-Os dps calculator you have been up on your high horse. But having a copy of a program someone else wrote doesnt make you the be all end all. Point 2 any class can handle the swim and the agility room. Its just going to take pots and more time. Was it a **** cold night for a **** bad pug? Were trying to figure out this life? or that pug? Id have had some respect if you had said "I blasted some Mercenary or Testament, Death, Pyramaze, Iced Earth, Carcass , Dio" or someone worthy of being blasted. But Avril Lavine????? Where is your manhood and self respect?

[kazeikan]

point 1 You Are Not Axer. Yes I Understand That Since You Have Got A Copy Of A-os Dps Calculator You Have Been Up On Your High Horse. But Having A Copy Of A Program Someone Else Wrote Doesnt Make You The Be All End All. Point 2 Any Class Can Hand The Swim And The Agility Room. Its Just Going To Take Pots And More Time. Was It A **** Cold Night For A **** Bad Pug? Were Trying To Figure Out This Life? Or That Pug? Id Have Had Some Respect If You Had Said "i Blasted Some Mercenary Or Testament, Death, Pyramaze, Iced Earth, Carcass , Dio" Or Someone Worthy Of Being Blasted. But Avril Lavine????? Where Is Your Manhood And Self Respect?

+1

[SardaofChaos]

+1

+1? Really? I can't even find his point, other than apparently he can't respect someone just because of their music choices.

[kazeikan]

Then apparently you can't read as he stated point 1 and point 2. The statement about the canadian singer was an added diss. I added rep after quoting his whole post do you know what exactly I put the rep for?

Maybe it's because I agree with point 1, or point 2 or both? Maybe I agree with his choice in music. Maybe I don't agree with his choice in music but I agree that his type of music is worth blasting over emo girl pop music? Maybe, I simply find his post amusing? You have no idea what the rep was for.

[Chai]

Classic example of selective grouping failure. Grabbing random PUGers and expecting them to be at your play level rarely works. It doesnt matter what you put in the LFM, or what you feel the LFM should have indicated to them. I have seen these same types of rants for years now, and yet we continue to beat this dead horse.

And yes, the swim can be done on non evasion if you remembered to bring a stack of potions. It will take longer as you will have to stop to heal up and them move on again. Same thing an evasion toon does after they roll a 1 on their save - drink pots.

Its not the swim I'd be worried about sans evasion, its the agility test room, which is times and trapped as all get up.

Crucible was soloed by a level 9, years ago. Theres no reason some noobs should be holding you back, heh. They might be costing you time, or heaven forbid, they might be causing you to have to communicate to them what to do and when.

[Chai]

Then apparently you can't read as he stated point 1 and point 2. The statement about the canadian singer was an added diss. I added rep after quoting his whole post do you know what exactly I put the rep for?

Maybe it's because I agree with point 1, or point 2 or both? Maybe I agree with his choice in music. Maybe I don't agree with his choice in music but I agree that his type of music is worth blasting over emo girl pop music? Maybe, I simply find his post amusing? You have no idea what the rep was for.

The rep system fails more often than not, and is used to pat people in agreement on the back or acknowledge something funny, and also to grief people in disagreement. It should be removed, and the report button should remain.

[Consumer]

Point 1 You are not axer. Yes I understand that since you have got a copy of A-Os dps calculator you have been up on your high horse. But having a copy of a program someone else wrote doesnt make you the be all end all. Point 2 any class can hand the swim and the agility room. Its just going to take pots and more time. Was it a **** cold night for a **** bad pug? Were trying to figure out this life? or that pug? Id have had some respect if you had said "I blasted some Mercenary or Testament, Death, Pyramaze, Iced Earth, Carcass , Dio" or someone worthy of being blasted. But Avril Lavine????? Where is your manhood and self respect?

Someone plays a melee, learns how to play it well and how to optimize it and suddenly they become an Axer wannabe.

Again with the it's not my DPS calc argument. I've not only posted hand done calculations with complete breakdowns in the past, I've also spent plenty of time testing things for myself. The fact that it is not my DPS calc makes no difference to the results it gives.

I assume you have seen my Fighter build, it does not have large amounts of AC, nor a good reflex save. The Crucible does not sport many spots to get the extra HP from madstone leaving ~400 HP to take full damage from every trap on the way to the horn.

I've done the swim on a Barb before, it was a waste of time and resources.



Is liking a wide range of music that uncommon?

I don't solely listen to Avril Lavigne, while you try and act cool by naming metal and death metal bands I can counter that just as easily. On normal day I will listen to music from many different genres. For example today I listened to Sinatra, Soilwork, August Burns Red, E.S. Posthumus, Tchaikovsky and Rise Against.

[Chai]

Point 1 You are not axer. Yes I understand that since you have got a copy of A-Os dps calculator you have been up on your high horse. But having a copy of a program someone else wrote doesnt make you the be all end all. Point 2 any class can handle the swim and the agility room. Its just going to take pots and more time. Was it a **** cold night for a **** bad pug? Were trying to figure out this life? or that pug? Id have had some respect if you had said "I blasted some Mercenary or Testament, Death, Pyramaze, Iced Earth, Carcass , Dio" or someone worthy of being blasted. But Avril Lavine????? Where is your manhood and self respect?

YUS!!! /agree.

DPS doesnt solve grouping issues. It also doesnt allow one to solo a quest where the most challenging aspects of the quest are not DPS related. Seems like the largest barrier here was communication....

[NaturalHazard]

Sorry but out of the whole story that caught my eye the most. Perhaps, still the am coffee kicking in but Avril Lavigne is stomping the yard music?

On topic, sounds like the pugs I get all the time.

lol!!

[jortann]

Why do the crucible on elite?

I can hardly think of a lesser enjoyable way to spend my time playing DDO.

It is long and boring on normal - bleah. I'd rather run the Pit.



As for people not showing up... people are lame. I was in GH and ran past one of the group memebers at the AH on my way out to the quest. I typed in party chat, "we are all here waiting for you." They waited 5 more minutes before popping out to make the journey to the quest...RUDE!

[Consumer]

Why do the crucible on elite?

I can hardly think of a lesser enjoyable way to spend my time playing DDO.

It is long and boring on normal - bleah. I'd rather run the Pit.

It's 24 argo favor on elite and was ~15k exp. If the party was as advertised it would have been worth the time.

[Smexxy]

Never, ever click on a PUG looking for Experienced Players. I am more likely to click an LFM that states they are new and would like a guide. I have solo/pugged most of my toons, else I start up a PUG and lead the pikers along. I will occasionally find players that listen to what I say or know the quests. I will typically add them to my friends list and monitor their progress.

[Mithran]

Solo the swim and agility horn on my 14 Fighter 2 Barb, excellent idea.

Not often do I see an idea as incredibly amazingly good as that.

Proceeding from the assumption that this was /sarcasm. . .

Barbarians and Fighters both have Swim as a Class Skill, do they not? If I'm in there on my Fighter or on my Barbarian, I'm prepared to make the swim, myself. To be sure, it's much better on a character with a really nice Evasion roll, but it's not that difficult.