We need more finishers.

[Xenus_Paradox]

I suggest Earth->Wind->Fire apply an Otto's Resistable Dance effect with standard Monk DC.

[Ssmooth]

I suggest Earth->Wind->Fire apply an Otto's Resistable Dance effect with standard Monk DC.

LMAO! I like it

If only we had a wind attack.....

[xanvar]

After this attack you could cast charm person with a clickie and summon Capt Planet.

Edit: I guess you would need water too, I forget about that.

[SardaofChaos]

I suggest Earth->Wind->Fire apply an Otto's Resistable Dance effect with standard Monk DC.

The developers beat you to this... by a long time.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Shining_Star

Shining Star

* Cooldown: 6 seconds
* Usage: Active
* Target: Foe, Directional, Breakable

You use the combined power of Earth, Wind, and Fire to set up harmonic vibrations within your enemy that force them to dance. A successful Will save negates this effect. (DC 10 + Monk Level + Charisma mod)

Min level 20.

[Sahtep]

After this attack you could cast charm person with a clickie and summon Capt Planet.

Edit: I guess you would need water too, I forget about that.

And ... LOVE

Sahtep

[Jaid314]

And ... LOVE

Sahtep

well that's why shining star uses charisma for DC. duh.

[manfredshw]

I hope we could have a pure force finisher, force force force=monk lvXd10 AOE FORCE damage.

[LunaCee]

Hmm... Random thoughts on what it would be like if monks got another finisher almost every couple levels.

Level 3
Cold, Air, Cold
Storm Surge (Ice) -> Snowball Swarm

Level 5
Air, Earth, Air
Storm Surge (Electric) -> Call Lightning

Level 7
Fire, Air, Fire
Storm Surge (Fire) -> Flamestrike

Level 9 (These would be short term ones... I'm thinking the minute long only kind of short)
Dark, Earth, Dark
Shroud of Despair -> Cloudkill in aura form centered on the monk
Light, Earth, Light
Shroud of Hope -> Righteous Might (+4 STR, +2 CON, DR/Evil)

Level 11
Fire, Void, Fire
Fireshield (Fire)
Cold, Void, Cold
Fireshield (Cold)

Level 13
Air, Void, Air
Displacement, Mass -> Semi-short term entire party buff. (6 seconds per character level please!)

Level 15
Dark, Void, Dark
Horrid Wilting
Light, Void, Light
Sunburst

Level 17
Earth, Void, Earth
Imprisonment

[dunklezhan]

Hmm... Random thoughts on what it would be like if monks got another finisher almost every couple levels.

Level 3
Cold, Air, Cold
Storm Surge (Ice) -> Snowball Swarm

Level 5
Air, Earth, Air
Storm Surge (Electric) -> Call Lightning

Level 7
Fire, Air, Fire
Storm Surge (Fire) -> Flamestrike

Level 9 (These would be short term ones... I'm thinking the minute long only kind of short)
Dark, Earth, Dark
Shroud of Despair -> Cloudkill in aura form centered on the monk
Light, Earth, Light
Shroud of Hope -> Righteous Might (+4 STR, +2 CON, DR/Evil)

Level 11
Fire, Void, Fire
Fireshield (Fire)
Cold, Void, Cold
Fireshield (Cold)

Level 13
Air, Void, Air
Displacement, Mass -> Semi-short term entire party buff. (6 seconds per character level please!)

Level 15
Dark, Void, Dark
Horrid Wilting
Light, Void, Light
Sunburst

Level 17
Earth, Void, Earth
Imprisonment

I really like some of these, I think you're onto something here.

I'd remove the automatic level progression for the elemental strikes and tie those to a level of advancement in the stances involved - e.g. you can only get access to the Storm Surge finishers if you have at least L3 with the main strike involved (so SS: Ice would require L3 Cold Strike). The finishers involving Light/Dark could be automatic as you level up though.

Can I suggest one you missed though -

Earth Air Earth: Storm Surge (Earth) -> Earthquake! AOE Knockdown Test (uses standard trip DCs, modified by any trip weapon or equipment you might have)

[TheDearLeader]

I suggest Earth->Wind->Fire apply an Otto's Resistable Dance effect with standard Monk DC.

I'm tired. Its early in the morning. So if this was sarcasm...

Well, it has to be sarcasm. Because I don't even play a monk, I've never even made a veteran monk as a bank toon, and I knew about Earth-Wind-Fire Shining Star. I even knew it was a Charisma-based DC. It works in Epics.

Was this a fishing expedition to see how many other monks didn't know about it? I'm confused.

[LunaCee]

I really like some of these, I think you're onto something here.

I'd remove the automatic level progression for the elemental strikes and tie those to a level of advancement in the stances involved - e.g. you can only get access to the Storm Surge finishers if you have at least L3 with the main strike involved (so SS: Ice would require L3 Cold Strike). The finishers involving Light/Dark could be automatic as you level up though.

Can I suggest one you missed though -

Earth Air Earth: Storm Surge (Earth) -> Earthquake! AOE Knockdown Test (uses standard trip DCs, modified by any trip weapon or equipment you might have)

Hmm... earthquake doesn't really seem stormy now does it? How about some acid rain? (Yeah I know that particular spell is horrendously weak.)

Conversion of my previous post to a five tier PrE format with some additions:

Level 6, Tier I, 4 AP Cost; Requires: One Adept Elemental stance & Concentration II
Grants: Storm Finishers & +15% Increased Potency on Finishing Strikes.
Earth, Air, Earth -> Storm Surge (Acid), Acid Rain
Cold, Air, Cold -> Storm Surge (Cold), Snowball Swarm
Air, Earth, Air -> Storm Surge (Electric), Call Lightning
Fire, Air, Fire -> Storm Surge (Flame), Flamestrike

Level 9, Tier II, 1 AP Cost; Requires: Void II, Tier I
Grants: Earth's Power Finishers, +5% Potency, +3% Critical Chance on Finishing Strikes
Dark, Earth, Dark -> Shroud of Despair, specialized aura version of Cloudkill
Light, Earth, Light -> Shroud of Hope, Righteous Might (+4 STR, +2 CON, DR/Evil)
Earth, Fire, Earth -> Trembling Earth, AoE Knockdown
Earth, Cold, Earth -> Chill of the Grave, AoE Slow

Level 12, Tier III, 1 AP Cost; Requires: One Master Elemental stance & Concentration III, Tier II
Grants: Elemental Balance Finishers, +5% Potency
Fire, Void, Fire -> Fireshield (Fire)
Cold, Void, Cold -> Fireshield (Cold)
Air, Void, Air -> Displacement, Mass (6 seconds per character level)

Level 15, Tier IV, 1 AP Cost; Requires: Void III, Tier III
Grants: Pathway Finishers, +5% Potency, +3% Critical Chance
Dark, Void, Dark -> Path of Shadow (Horrid Wilting)
Dark, Cold, Dark -> Path of the Storm (Icestorm)
Light, Void, Light -> Path of Light (Sunburst)
Light, Fire, Light -> Path of the Flames (Incendiary Cloud)

Level 18, Tier V, 1 AP Cost; Requires: One Grandmaster Elemental stance & Concentration IV, Tier IV
Grants: Destiny Finishers, +10% Potency (40%), +3% Critical Chance (9%)
Earth, Void, Earth -> Eternal Prison (Imprisonment)
Cold, Fire, Cold -> Shooting Star (Cometfall)
Air, Cold, Air -> Winds of Change (Haste)
Dark, Air, Dark -> Tyrant's Boon (Mind Fog)
Light, Air, Light -> Saint's Gift (Greater Heroism)

[dunklezhan]

Hmm... earthquake doesn't really seem stormy now does it? How about some acid rain? (Yeah I know that particular spell is horrendously weak.)

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you on the idea that an earthquake isn't stormy. An earthquake is exactly an 'earth storm', resulting as it does from a conflict within the element in question, as with a volcanic eruption which would mirror your fire surge, or a blizzard that would mirror your cold surge etc. Morover, an earthquake could legitimately be described as a 'surge', since that means 'to rise, or swell' which is a large part of the effect of an earthquakes along certain fault lines, particularly oceanic ones (where it subsequently then also causes a water based surge aka tsunami).

However that's all nit picking. In fairness to you the storm surge idea is your idea not mine, and you will of course have a feel for what that is supposed to mean in terms of effects. I certainly concede that my vision of it may be different, and you should stick with yours for consistency of approach!

I don't want to argue with you about that one suggestion because I think the premise you've come up with is very sound, so I don't want to cause an unnecessary distraction for any dev who might read it and think 'yeah, that could work...' Dev's would almost certainly change the specific effects to fit their balance & game development vision anyway.

I also quite like your idea refinement of them being 1AP purchases with prereqs rather than automatically granted.

I do think that you should start a new thread in the suggestions forum for your idea though.