A few feat questions

[Darconeious]

Do fists count as bludgeoning weapon? And if it is i should take improve critical bludgeoning? And will stunning blow work with stunning fists or do they just wash each other out. Class feats - is it a must to get stunning fist and deflect arrows? And should I take the TWF chain or plan the 3 extra feats for something else? And the monks past life to gain , double damage bonus? Worth taking the feat? And" when "can you take it and apply the past life to make that happen?

[Martdon]

Do fists count as bludgeoning weapon? And if it is i should take improve critical bludgeoning? And will stunning blow work with stunning fists or do they just wash each other out. Class feats - is it a must to get stunning fist and deflect arrows? And should I take the TWF chain or plan the 3 extra feats for something else? And the monks past life to gain , double damage bonus? Worth taking the feat? And" when "can you take it and apply the past life to make that happen?

Yes Unarmed counts as Bludgeoning and you should take IC: Bludgeoning. And yes take the TWF line, it will greatly increase your dps. Do not worry about deflect arrows. As for the past life, it raises your unarmed attack die by one. Meaning your unarmed attacks will do between 1d8 (lvl1) to 2d12 (lvl20) dmg instead of 1d6-2d10. It does not add another die.

[Xilraazz]

Do fists count as bludgeoning weapon? And if it is i should take improve critical bludgeoning? And will stunning blow work with stunning fists or do they just wash each other out. Class feats - is it a must to get stunning fist and deflect arrows? And should I take the TWF chain or plan the 3 extra feats for something else? And the monks past life to gain , double damage bonus? Worth taking the feat? And" when "can you take it and apply the past life to make that happen?

Fists are bludgeoning weapons, yes improved crit: bludgeoning.
stunning blow and stunning fists both work. stunning blow DC is based on str (don't remember the whole formula) and stunning fists DC is 10+1/2 monk level+wis modifier.
Deflect arrows is mostly useless/broken
yes TWF chain, monks get full str bonus on off-hand attacks with fists.
definitely worth taking the past life feat and the earliest you can take it is at 3rd level.

[Darconeious]

My feat selection
1-stunning fists / dodge
2-TWF
3-past life monk
6-ITWF / Discipline
9-stunning blow
12-improve critical bludgeoning
15-GTWF
18- ??
Concidering -PA, Toughness, ? Or something else
Any thoughts ? going the way of the light path

[tgun]

Dont take discipline, take both toughness and power attack.

[Marmaduke]

luck of heroes for your shintao

IC: bludgeon is debateable. Some people opt for it, others do not. Any non red-name should be in autocrit. Stunning blow is sort of a waste on a monk, IMO.

[elg582]

My feat selection
1-stunning fists / dodge
2-TWF
3-past life monk
6-ITWF / Discipline
9-stunning blow
12-improve critical bludgeoning
15-GTWF
18- ??
Concidering -PA, Toughness, ? Or something else
Any thoughts ? going the way of the light path

You probably don't realize it, but you just made the best argument against light path that I have ever seen

[Darconeious]

You probably don't realize it, but you just made the best argument against light path that I have ever seen

explain! Cuz I wouldn't know! And I would like to realize this, would hate to make a mistake. But mistakes is what makes the world go round. None the less, please call your shot.

[Soleran]

explain! Cuz I wouldn't know! And I would like to realize this, would hate to make a mistake. But mistakes is what makes the world go round. None the less, please call your shot.

Because with that lineup you don't have PA which is a big boost to dps and you didn't take any toughness feats with 1d8 per lvl that's going to hurt.

Drop stunning blow and pick up PA, at 18 take toughness or switch that around either way or don't take dodge at lvl 1 and take PA there.

Those are your choices really

[Kinerd]

Your character has to be a TR that was a monk in a past life to take the monk past life feat.

You should absolutely have toughness, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, Power Attack. You should almost certainly have Improved Critical, at least while you're leveling up. You don't HAVE to have Stunning Fist, but it is pretty nice and doesn't require much investment: the best Stunning +X weapon you can get at whichever level and you're good to go, and you can always change weapons if you want. You can only take Stunning Fist as one of the bonus martial arts feats you get at levels 1, 2, and 6.

That's 7 feats, and you get 10. Spend one on whichever Shintao prerequisite feat: I would recommend Diehard or Luck of Heroes. That leaves you with 2. My advice to you is to take another toughness with one, plan for GTWF at level 15, and leave the level 18 slot as ?? until you get there, you'll have a much better idea of what you want.

[elg582]

explain! Cuz I wouldn't know! And I would like to realize this, would hate to make a mistake. But mistakes is what makes the world go round. None the less, please call your shot.

You must have power attack and toughness, they are not optional. Give up dodge, first, or even IC: Bludgeon, as marmaduke suggested.

But before you do that, think about whether that discipline feat is really doing all that much for you; touch of death works on more stuff than smite tainted does, and the shadow crypt is perhaps the most-run quest in the game

[SEMPER]

is this a dex based monk or a str based monk ????

whichever it is then take the stunning feat that goes with each build

dex = stunning fist with a decent wis most likey this will be best

str = stunning blow as most str built monks ive seen usually drop wis so they can max out str/con and have just enough dex for the twf line

[Darconeious]

Wow thanks to all PA I was really going to take toughness was going to get worked somehow and I didn't know I got 2 toughness feats . I'll rework this and make sure I take your advise MD and thanks again

[Xalerwons]

Not to derail the thread, but do any of the TWF feats (other than TWF,ITWF,GTWF chain) actually work in unarmed attacks?

I know Tempest is *supposed* to work with unarmed strikes, but still doesn't.

I was curious about OTWF/TWF Defense (just to squeeze every last to-hit/AC with my spare feats)

[Xilraazz]

OTWF won't because fists aren't oversized, and i don't think two weapon defense or blocking do either since you aren't holding two weapons but i'm not 100% sure of that.

[Carpone]

i don't think two weapon defense or blocking do either since you aren't holding two weapons but i'm not 100% sure of that.

That's no surprise. Unarmed attacks are not equivalent to "melee attacks". For whatever reason, they're coded independently of one another. For example, Dragontouched Destruction does not affect unarmed attacks (only "melee attacks").

[Kinerd]

TWF, ITWF, and GTWF definitely work with unarmed. TWD definitely does not. Not sure about TWB - my guess is no.