Consumer's Max DPS Fighter

[Consumer]

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There will one day spring from the brain of science a machine or force so fearful in its potentialities, so absolutely terrifying, that even man, the fighter, who will dare torture and death in order to inflict torture and death, will be appalled, and so abandon war forever - Thomas Edison

After playing with DPS calcs and testing things in game I have decided that this will be the final DPS build I will roll.

It has max slashing DPS, is able to use glancing blows to increase damage when surrounded, can use stunning blow and high strength to incapacitate mobs, can use heavy picks for autocrit, can use warhammers and mauls to kill undead, has high to hit with both THF and TWF while being able to maintain a high attack speed for 6 and a half minutes of continuous combat.

A thread by Shade was the original inspiration for the build - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=243374 - it obviously has to be changed to actually provide what the OP promised and to work in current content.

Having originally posting this in the builds forum (and receiving no replies) I have tweaked the feat choice and stats to suit the new toon it is meant for.






20 Fighter


Stats - 34 pt


Strength - 20
Dexterity - 15
Constitution - 16
Intelligence - 6
Wisdom - 8
Charisma - 6



Feats

1 - TWF
3 - PA
6 - Toughness
9 - ITWF
12 - GTWF
15 - Stunning Blow
18 - WF: Blunt

1 - WF: Slashing
2 - THF
4 - WS: Slashing
6 - ITHF
8 - IC: Slashing
10 - GWF: Slashing
12 - GWS: Slashing
14 - GTHF
16 - Quick Draw
18 - SWF: Slashing
20 - WS: Blunt



Enhancements

Fighter Attack Boost III
Fighter Extra Action Boost II
Fighter Haste Boost IV
Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Kensei Greatsword Mastery III
Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Fighter Kensei III
Fighter Greatsword Specialization II
Orcish Extra Action Boost III
Orcish Melee Damage II
Orcish Power Attack III
Orcish Strength II
Fighter Strength III



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[Consumer]

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Stats



Constitution

16 base
7 item
4 tome
3 exceptional
= 30 unbuffed
2 rage
4 madstone
= 36 sustained



Hitpoints

The builds biggest weakness, with all the enhancements and the majority of it's 18 feats dedicated to DPS the HP falls short. However as the toon was originally meant for a Blitz build it has a Barb past life for an extra 10 HP. It will still spend most of its time with mid 500s HP. I will point out it is not a tank, it gets more damage from not having agro due to Tharne's and will not be tanking raids unless desperate.

200 Fighter
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
30 GFL
260 Con
10 Barb Past life
22 Toughness
= 552 HP
40 Double madstone
40 yugo pot
= 632 HP
45 Greensteel
= 677 HP



Strength

20 base
5 levels
4 tome
6 item
3 exceptional
2 HO strength
3 Fighter
3 Profane abashai
= 46 unbuffed
8 power surge
2 rage
2 madstone
2 yugo pot
2 guild shrine
= 62 str sustained
6 psionic
2 double madstone
4 Barb past life
= 74 burst
3 house d potion
2 store pot
= 79 maxed






To hit


These numbers show potential, not application.


Epic SoS

20 BaB
10 Weapon
26 Strength (62 STR)
2 Shintao
4 Weapon Focus
2 Mastery
= 64 to hit
-8 PA
= 56 to hit
5 Backstabbing
2 Flanking
= 63 to hit
8 Inspire Courage (morale)
2 Inspire Greatness (competence)
1 Haste (enhancement)
3 divine favor (luck)
= 77 to hit
4 attack boost
= 81 to hit
2 Frenzied Berserker set
2 Epic spectral (4 competence)
2 Litany
= 87 to hit
8 burst STR (79)
= 95 to hit with PA on
-4 moving
= 91 to hit


Picks / Warhammers

20 BaB
5 Weapon
26 Strength (62 STR)
2 Shintao
= 53 to hit
-8 PA
-4 TWF
= 41 to hit
5 Backstabbing
2 Flanking
= 48 to hit
8 Inspire Courage (morale)
2 Inspire Greatness (competence)
1 Haste (enhancement)
3 Divine Favor (luck)
= 61 to hit
4 attack boost
= 65 to hit
2 Frenzied Berserker set
2 Epic spectral (4 competence)
2 Litany
= 71 to hit
8 burst STR (79)
= 79 to hit with PA on
-4 moving
= 75 to hit





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[Consumer]

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DPS


The reason this build has both TWF and THF chains is to maximise DPS under all circumstances. The most common hole most people like to dig at is the DPS of a build is only maximised under favourable circumstances. It is often claimed that Barbs have a distinct advantage over FIghters in that they do not lose damage when swapping to another weapon type. However due to a lack of feats and already lower DPS this does not help them. A Fighter can take both TWF and THF to maximise not only single target DPS but aoe DPS as well.

I will be posting DPS for multiple situations, each with a different gear set.






Pit fiend - 50% fort - 0 DR with Red Augment Crystal of Devil's Ruin (68 STR over 1 minute) - THF Twitch

1 minute max - 523 DPS

Pit fiend - 50% fort - 15 DR (68 STR over 1 minute)

1 minute max - 481 DPS


Head - Epic Helm of Frost
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...;s_Goggles.jpg
Trinket - Litany of the dead - http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...yoftheDead.jpg
Necklace - Shintao Cord - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ShintaoCord.jpg
Body - Epic Marilith Chain - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EpicMarilithChain.jpg
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...omed_Cloak.jpg
Belt - Colethenis's Belt - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ColethenissBelt.jpg
Bracers - Epic Bracers of the Claw - http://perfectweb.org/ddo/itemwiki/i...54&thumbnail=0
Gloves - Epic Gloves of the Claw - http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...nShot00028.jpg
Ring - Ring of the Ravager - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/RingoftheRavager.jpg
Ring - Kyosho's Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KyoshosRing.jpg
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosion - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item..._Corrosion.jpg

Weapon - http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Weapo...word_of_Shadow






Trash - 0% fort - 0 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF Twitch

5 minutes - 667 DPS

Trash - 2 targets - 0% fort - 0 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF

5 minutes - 676 DPS

Trash - 3 targets - 0% fort - 0 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF

5 minutes - 765 DPS


Head - Epic Helm of Frost
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...;s_Goggles.jpg
Trinket - Epic Bloodstone - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EpicBloodstone.jpg
Necklace - Shintao Cord - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ShintaoCord.jpg
Body - Epic Red Dragonscale Robe - http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Red_Dragonscale_Robe
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...omed_Cloak.jpg
Belt - Colethenis's Belt - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ColethenissBelt.jpg
Bracers - Epic Bracers of the Claw - http://perfectweb.org/ddo/itemwiki/i...54&thumbnail=0
Gloves - Epic Gloves of the Claw - http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...nShot00028.jpg
Ring - Ring of the Ravager - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/RingoftheRavager.jpg
Ring - Kyosho's Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KyoshosRing.jpg
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosion - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item..._Corrosion.jpg

Weapon - http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Weapo...word_of_Shadow






Trash - autocrit - 0% fort - 0 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - TWF

5 minutes - 1516 DPS


Head - Epic Helm of Frost
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...;s_Goggles.jpg
Trinket - Epic Bloodstone - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EpicBloodstone.jpg
Necklace - Shintao Cord - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ShintaoCord.jpg
Body - Epic Red Dragonscale Robe - http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Red_Dragonscale_Robe
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...omed_Cloak.jpg
Belt - Knost's Belt - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KnostsBelt.jpg
Bracers - Epic Bracers of the Claw - http://perfectweb.org/ddo/itemwiki/i...54&thumbnail=0
Gloves - Epic Gloves of the Claw - http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...nShot00028.jpg
Ring - Encrusted Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EncrustedRing.jpg
Ring - Kyosho's Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KyoshosRing.jpg
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosion - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item..._Corrosion.jpg

Main hand - lit II heavy pick
Off hand - lit II heavy pick






Epic Velah - 0% fort - 0 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF Twitch

5 minutes - 657 DPS


Head - Epic Helm of Frost
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...;s_Goggles.jpg
Trinket - Litany of the dead - http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...yoftheDead.jpg
Necklace - Shintao Cord - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ShintaoCord.jpg
Body - Epic Marilith Chain - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EpicMarilithChain.jpg
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...omed_Cloak.jpg
Belt - Colethenis's Belt - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ColethenissBelt.jpg
Bracers - Epic Bracers of the Claw - http://perfectweb.org/ddo/itemwiki/i...54&thumbnail=0
Gloves - Epic Gloves of the Claw - http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...nShot00028.jpg
Ring - Ring of the Ravager - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/RingoftheRavager.jpg
Ring - Kyosho's Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KyoshosRing.jpg
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosion - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item..._Corrosion.jpg

Weapon - http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Weapo...word_of_Shadow






Epic Queen Lailat - 0% fort - 0 DR with Red Augment Crystal of Demon's Ruin (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF Twitch

5 minutes - 657 DPS

Epic Queen Lailat - 0% fort - 20 DR (62 STR over 5 minutes) - THF Twitch

5 minutes - 601 DPS


Head - Epic Helm of Frost
Goggles - Tharne's Goggles - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...;s_Goggles.jpg
Trinket - Litany of the dead - http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...yoftheDead.jpg
Necklace - Shintao Cord - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ShintaoCord.jpg
Body - Epic Marilith Chain - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/EpicMarilithChain.jpg
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item...omed_Cloak.jpg
Belt - Colethenis's Belt - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/ColethenissBelt.jpg
Bracers - Epic Bracers of the Claw - http://perfectweb.org/ddo/itemwiki/i...54&thumbnail=0
Gloves - Epic Gloves of the Claw - http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...nShot00028.jpg
Ring - Ring of the Ravager - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/RingoftheRavager.jpg
Ring - Kyosho's Ring - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/KyoshosRing.jpg
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosion - http://img.enterwiki.net/images/Item..._Corrosion.jpg

Weapon - http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Weapo...word_of_Shadow

[Consumer]

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20 Fighter


Stats - 32 pt


Strength - 20
Dexterity - 15
Constitution - 15
Intelligence - 6
Wisdom - 8
Charisma - 6



Feats

1 - TWF
3 - PA
6 - Toughness
9 - ITWF
12 - GTWF
15 - Stunning Blow
18 - Toughness

1 - WF: Slashing
2 - THF
4 - WS: Slashing
6 - ITHF
8 - IC: Slashing
10 - GWF: Slashing
12 - GWS: Slashing
14 - GTHF
16 - Quick Draw
18 - SWF: Slashing
20 - IC: Piercing






32pt DPS

Trash - lit II GS, no ToD sets, 52 STR - 446 DPS
Harry - 345 DPS

Trash - khop specced - 519 DPS
Harry - khops - 375






Tips

From level 1-12 use a Carnifex, once you have GTWF switch to Khopesh. Greensteel Khops out DPS Greensteel Two handers.

Twitch, a lot.

Delay PA enhancements to help keep to hit maxed while leveling.

Max haste boost asap.

While zerging runs to level up ~8 haste boosts will be good enough for most quests. This means you can take toughness enhancements instead of EAB.

Do not swap from weighted weapons to heavy picks after using stunning blow.

Learn which mobs have which DR and what is required to break it.

If possible always be flanking a mob.

Do not twitch on the spot, keep moving a round the mob to make sure it is between you and the rest of its friends.

[Cold_Stele]

Very interesting build. Does the 32 point have different feats or is that a typo?

I'm curious about taking TWF and THF though, as well as the Blunt spec feats. Whilst undoubtedly they'll give more DPS, how much more realistically once you start using eSOS? Do you really think this is better than taking a few more Toughness feats?

[mystafyi]

if this build is max dps then why would you include backstab and possibly even flanking bonus to hit? you talking about the 1st millisecond of melee before you take agro?

[Consumer]

Very interesting build. Does the 32 point have different feats or is that a typo?

I'm curious about taking TWF and THF though, as well as the Blunt spec feats. Whilst undoubtedly they'll give more DPS, how much more realistically once you start using eSOS? Do you really think this is better than taking a few more Toughness feats?

Different feats.

On a 32 pt your likely to have less gear and therefore less HP, as the HP is already borderline at max the extra toughness feats will help a lot.




Each time you hit stunning blow with TWF the mob makes 2 saves, when your offhand is a stunning +10 warhammer that extra save is worth a lot of damage.

During autocrit TWF with picks far out damages THF.

There are plenty more situations which favour TWF endgame.

[hit_fido]

20 - IC: Piercing

Why does the 32 point build include IC: Piercing while the 34 point build does not? Does IC: Piercing maximize DPS? If so why isn't it included on the 34 point build? If not, what do you replace it with on the 32 point build to maximize DPS?

From level 1-12 use a Carnifex, once you have GTWF switch to Khopesh. Greensteel Khops out DPS Greensteel Two handers.

For the 34 point build, none of your situational DPS/gear sets show the use of khopesh, only ESoS and Lit II picks. You don't take a feat for Exotic: Khopesh. At endgame do you ever use greensteel khopesh? If not, is there any reason to invest in greensteel khopesh that wont be used at endgame? If so, in what situations at endgame do you use greensteel khopesh instead of ESoS or Lit II picks? You allude to there being "plenty more situations which favour TWF" at endgame but don't present any such situations in your list of DPS/gear set summaries. Can you add those?

Do not twitch on the spot, keep moving a round the mob to make sure it is between you and the rest of its friends.

Your DPS/Gear numbers for multi-target trash using THF show higher DPS for 2 or 3 targets. Is that due to glancing blow damage? If so, then is it not advisable to stand still for higher DPS than to twitch/reposition when facing more than one mob?

While zerging runs to level up ~8 haste boosts will be good enough for most quests.

In what quests prior to endgame are ~8 haste boosts not good enough? In what quests at endgame are ~8 haste boosts not good enough?

Because hate tanks and ingimpitanks are often used in raids.

In a raid/endboss situation does this build depend on an ingimpitank being present in the party in order to maximize its DPS? If an ingimpitank is not present in the party, can you calculate how much DPS this build depends on a hate tank delivering in order to maximize its own DPS (e.e. not draw aggro)? In which raid/endboss scenario will this build deliver maximum DPS over five minutes: a party with an ingimpitank, or a party with a hate tank?

If you want more specific DPS calcs than provided with the OP go ahead and request them.

Will you put up a link to the spreadsheet used for the numbers on the first page? That would be a valuable tool - assuming this is the current theoretical "Max DPS" for a fighter-based build then it would be useful for players to make changes against this maximum through re-prioritizing what interests them with their character and be able to accurately assess the cost in terms of DPS loss. e.g. adding xx hp = %yy DPS loss, and so on.

[eonfreon]

Take a look at the rogue HP breakdown I posted WITH the 40 for double madstone and yugo pots Consumer accounts for. 597 HP. Not 500.

597 HP is MORE survivable with improved evasion than 650 is sans evasion where multiple reflex saves are needed often.

Sucks that people dont CHOOSE TO build rogues like this but that doesnt invalidate my breakdown and HP total. You want to survive TOD elite and not be a liability? HP are ALWAYS a plus. A fighter that is less survivable than a rogue is meatwaffles, heh.

And then theres the little point that I have been making about using ALL my feats ALL the time.

Yes, I did miss that point about the Rogue. Sorry about that.

One thing about your point about having equal dps. If you are a Half-Orc with 50 HP worth of Toughness enhancements then you do not have the exact same dps as this build, because you didn't max out some dps enhancement some where.

Basically, it comes down to you saying that 1 Toughness is not enough. I say 7 Toughness is too many.

Personally I would drop the WF: Blunt and WS: Blunt. +1 to hit and +2 to dmg for a weapon that's there primarily to improve the chance to land Stuns seems unneccesary. Pick up 2 Toughness for 44 more HP.

[Consumer]

Why does the 32 point build include IC: Piercing while the 34 point build does not? Does IC: Piercing maximize DPS? If so why isn't it included on the 34 point build? If not, what do you replace it with on the 32 point build to maximize DPS?

The 32pt takes an extra toughness to deal with less gear, this removes the option for WF and WS Blunt. As you cannot take toughness as a Fighter feat it leaves limited options. IC:Piercing is useful in epics to increase DPS on trash that is not held.

For the 34 point build, none of your situational DPS/gear sets show the use of khopesh, only ESoS and Lit II picks. You don't take a feat for Exotic: Khopesh. At endgame do you ever use greensteel khopesh? If not, is there any reason to invest in greensteel khopesh that wont be used at endgame? If so, in what situations at endgame do you use greensteel khopesh instead of ESoS or Lit II picks? You allude to there being "plenty more situations which favour TWF" at endgame but don't present any such situations in your list of DPS/gear set summaries. Can you add those?

Khopesh till you get Epic SoS.

Your DPS/Gear numbers for multi-target trash using THF show higher DPS for 2 or 3 targets. Is that due to glancing blow damage? If so, then is it not advisable to stand still for higher DPS than to twitch/reposition when facing more than one mob?

Yes, the methods of DPS with a competent and incompetent healer will change. With a good healer you can stand in a group of mobs and let them all hit you at once. With a poor healer and less gear you will have twitch around mobs to ease the load on the healer.

In what quests prior to endgame are ~8 haste boosts not good enough? In what quests at endgame are ~8 haste boosts not good enough?

Not enough:

VoD
Chains of Flame
Epic Chains of Flame

In a raid/endboss situation does this build depend on an ingimpitank being present in the party in order to maximize its DPS? If an ingimpitank is not present in the party, can you calculate how much DPS this build depends on a hate tank delivering in order to maximize its own DPS (e.e. not draw aggro)? In which raid/endboss scenario will this build deliver maximum DPS over five minutes: a party with an ingimpitank, or a party with a hate tank?

As long as the build does not agro it has max DPS, however when it take agro it loses 8 SA damage from Tharne's goggles. If specified to be the tank it can switch to lightning strike goggles to make up some of the difference.

It's approximately a 22 DPS loss when you remove Tharne's damage.

Will you put up a link to the spreadsheet used for the numbers on the first page? That would be a valuable tool - assuming this is the current theoretical "Max DPS" for a fighter-based build then it would be useful for players to make changes against this maximum through re-prioritizing what interests them with their character and be able to accurately assess the cost in terms of DPS loss. e.g. adding xx hp = %yy DPS loss, and so on.

Edit - will be easier to pick up the base calc.

http://rapidshare.com/files/43847010...Update_2.0.ods

Send a pm if you have any more questions.

[baii]

how much dps u gain from switching to picks on a GS spec'd fighter on autocrit mobs?
or simply wat dps a esos fighter do on autocrit trash?

[Consumer]

how much dps u gain from switching to picks on a GS spec'd fighter on autocrit mobs?
or simply wat dps a esos fighter do on autocrit trash?

~400 DPS, I'll give a proper figure tomorrow.

[Boromirs]

Does this beat the barbarian max DPS you posted in the barb thread? Oh, and this build seems to have too low HP to be much use, I understand that it's supposed to be MAX DPS, but it doesn't seems to be practical as a 'everyday' play build.

[Feithlin]

You base the builds on Horc. Would Halfling (guile) or Helf (rogue diletante for +3d6 SA damage) do a lot lower?

[Consumer]

You base the builds on Horc. Would Halfling (guile) or Helf (rogue diletante for +3d6 SA damage) do a lot lower?

Half Orc gives:

4 strength
3 haste boosts
3 PA
4 THF damage

A fundamental part of my play style is that I am the first into a room and the first out. SA has limited use to me, I will use Tharne's because their after often situations when you do not have agro and there is nothing better to put in that slot for the majority of the time.

Both Halflings and HE provide lower DPS, not only against trash but against fort, autocrit e.c.t.

[Consumer]

Does this beat the barbarian max DPS you posted in the barb thread? Oh, and this build seems to have too low HP to be much use, I understand that it's supposed to be MAX DPS, but it doesn't seems to be practical as a 'everyday' play build.

Yes it does beat it, no the build is not for everyone.

[Chai]

how much dps u gain from switching to picks on a GS spec'd fighter on autocrit mobs?
or simply wat dps a esos fighter do on autocrit trash?

Apparently its more than enough to sacrifice a decent amount of potential HP to pick up more than one style.

I favor specing into one style and using a bunch of toughness for HP. If anyone complains that I am twitching with an eSOS instead of using heavy picks in autocrit situations, they got issues, heh. I like having use of my feats all of the time. In a double spec situation, you arent using half your feats situationally. In a single weapon spec + multi toughness for HP build you use all of your feats *most of the time. When you are NOT using them you are equipping a blunt weapon to hammer on skellys.

If I was so worried about maxing for autocrit, I would build a str based assassin heavy pick speced. Thats pretty much your max DPS build, if we are ignoring HP. Would spec for khopesh, as theres no need to spec for picks on a rogue when you hit on a 2 in autocrit anyhow.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Oh it's too much! I can't stop laughing!

So it's not bad enough that you completely rip off Shade's title format and replace his name with your own, but you have to quote THOMAS EDISON (omg...) and add lots of pretty colors to make sure you get everyone's attention.

But enough fun and games, let's look at the problems with this concept. First of all, it claims it's not a tank, so not fun at all to play in ToD or VoD. When an emergency tank is needed, you'll have to switch toons. But then again, my THF WF Evasion Kensai tanks both all the time on any difficulty level with 659 unbuffed HP, so I have no idea why the OP says it can't tank. My guess is he's never tanked either of these quests.

What's with the odd ability scores? Obviously the OP has never found a +4 tome in his life. He will be forced to either True Reincarnate to make them even or permanently glue some gear to his back. It either results in wasted effort/time or wasted versatility. They will be unable to use Silver Flame potions until they acquire +4 tomes for their stats, so 100% dependent on healers. The build is completely gimped in skills with 0 to spend on anything. Balance, Spot, and Tumble are three of the most useful skills to melee with Haggle being nice for making more cash off vendors. Have fun getting knocked down for MINUTES when fighting Mariliths and Air Elementals!

It takes BOTH TWF and THF chains. What a waste! Choose a fighting style and stick with it. You miss out on tons of HP and have to grind a ridiculous number of hours to acquire these weapons. Is it really worth it to do a few more points of damage for 5 minutes? Quick Draw is a wasted feat, I don't need to go into how much more useful 20 HP is than erasing 2 seconds of boost delay that's subject to lag. Honestly, stop gimping and punishing yourself for no practical reason.

The gear layout is flawed. The Abishai sets are completely worthless as they take up 3 good slots and only provide profane bonuses. Hezrou cookies are your friends! They completely outdo the profane bonus on that set for 1 minute and can be maintained in stacks of 100. Meanwhile, you free up slots for Epic Red Dragon Helm (Augment: Resistance +4), Madstone Boots, and a 45 HP Green Steel cloak with a guard for even more HP and versatility.

The real killer is the claims he makes. This is NOT the max DPS. I took one glance at the layout and the words, "5 minutes," summed up why it doesn't work. It can't be sustained for longer than 5 minutes, whereas Barbarians can go 40+ minutes of permanent rage and near-equal maintainable DPS levels.

This build might very well be the highest burst DPS that a Fighter can reach, I don't deny that possibility. But it will always be inferior in HP, DPS, and versatility when compared to a Barbarian. In the end, I outstrip this build in any role you can name just by extending Shade's original Frenzied Berserker concept.


You're not Shade. You can never BE Shade. If you had any concept of what he was trying to do, you'd be extending his original build, not walking all over it with a Fighter mock-up. If you actually read between the lines, he's saying a Fighter has to give up tons of HP to achieve the same levels of DPS that a Barbarian can reach. Try reading his posts sometime and you'd see that he actually knew the mechanics inside and out. He actually proved his claims by going out and testing them in the field before posting video feedback.

[dredre9987]

Ok I just need to chime in to ask a question I have.

Consumer, I have seen many of your posts stating "str sustained" and then you go on to list things such as :

8 power surge
2 rage
2 madstone
2 yugo pot
2 guild shrine.

How in the world are those all "sustainable"? +8 power surge. Ok how many do you have? the guild shrine? Isn't that an hour at a time? Things like that.

I'm not here to rip on you or any of your builds ( see enough people trying to do that to you to begin with ) just asking questions I'm very confused about.

[Consumer]

8 power surge
2 rage
2 madstone
2 yugo pot
2 guild shrine.

13 power surges is 13 minutes of boosts back to back

Rage is provide by a caster or in pots

madstone comes from boot clickies

yugo come in pots and have a long duration

if your in a quest for more than an hour something's up