Why Stonedust Handwraps are fail, in my opinion.

[thecreechmmo]

Why Stonedust Handwraps are fail, in my opinion.

Put simply, combined with the staff makes the stonedust handwraps:

+4 handwraps of stunning +6 w/ lesser vampirism, flesh to stone on vorpal confirmed crit and while in earth stance chance to proc stoneskin.

Now, even with the force damage ritiual these still are horrible for dps compared to a +x holy burst handwraps of pure good (plus you can add an icy kit on top of this).

Devs, aside from the Mabar epic handwraps which are really only good for undead there are still no end-game handwraps available.

Why do I think they are fail? If they wanted to give us some end-game type handwraps that would be useful for dps when we're not using our epic mabar wraps, then they would have made an item with acid damage, or acid burst damage to combine with the stonedust handwraps to create:

+4 acid/acid burst handwraps of stunning +6 w/ flesh to stone on vorpal confirmed crit and while in earth stance chance to proc stoneskin.

Had they been desgined as such, I'm sure people would cry foul because *guess what* they'd be just about on-par with greensteel items.

But of course, this will never happen. Why do I think they *should* have been designed as such? Put simply, the stonedust handwraps obviously have a "earth" style theme, right? And when you use your Strike of the Enduring what happens on a crit? Oh that's right, you deal extra *acid* damage. Furthermore, what is the debuff ability of Porous Soul? Oh right, again 10% more *acid* damage. See where this is going?

But apparently to think this creatively and give us some wraps that are competitve for end-game is just out of the question. We clearly need some more nerfs. Ninja Spy III? Out of the question.


Well, that's my rant. Feel free to point out the flaws in my argument, I'd be glad to hear any feedback from the community. This is just my opinion. There could be some disgruntled monk feelings within this post.

-theCreecH

[Astraghal]

Why should monks be top DPS as well as being good in so many other ways?

Wouldn't that be unbalanced?

I'm not expert on the class and may be wrong in my assumption, but as it stands I'm pretty sure they can get (with a minimum of gear):

high AC
high saves
self healing
stuns
evasion
massive spike damage
excellent maneuvreability

I think it's just a fluke that devs haven't make them more insanely powerful with gear, because of badly thought out designs, but I think that will change in future when better items become available.

Monks are ridiculously overpowered and while the idea of having easy button races and classes like warforged and monks available at the DDO store so Turbine can make some money out of the powergamers looking for an edge, there has to be a limit on this blatant imbalance.

[dkyle]

high AC

"High enough to matter" is still challenging to get.

high saves

Saves barely matter. FvS and Palis get great saves too. Rogues and Bards get good Reflex, which is the save that actually somewhat matters.

self healing

Unless you go for massive healing amp (which only really kicks in towards endgame), it's not enough to do much more than a Pali's Lay on Hands, in terms of self-sufficiency. I get much more healing from pots than from self-healing abilities on my Monk.

stuns

Probably a Monks best advantage. Still, a Barb is likely to have higher DCs. And Barbs have among the highest tanking DPS. And it does nothing vs. Bosses.

evasion

Rogues and Rangers (halfway) get. And Rogues are top DPS.

massive spike damage

If you're a Dark Monk. Who otherwise kind of suck compared to Light Monks, currently. And it doesn't actually add much DPS.

excellent maneuvreability

Eh, nice to have, but hardly a huge benefit.

I'm not expert on the class

[...]

easy button [...] classes like [...] monks

Enough said. Monks are the most challenging class to build well, play well, and gear well.

[ckorik]

Quote:
stuns
Probably a Monks best advantage. Still, a Barb is likely to have higher DCs. And Barbs have among the highest tanking DPS. And it does nothing vs. Bosses.

Light monks are the only class in game that can stun on a fort save or a will save (IIRC). Considering that fact Barbs are *very* inferior at stunning endgame.

[Musouka]

It is a fort save. Stunning fist uses Wisdom Modifier and has a shorter cooldown, though. As opposed to Stunning Blow using Strength Modifier and a longer cooldown.

[Fafnir]

It is a fort save. Stunning fist uses Wisdom Modifier and has a shorter cooldown, though. As opposed to Stunning Blow using Strength Modifier and a longer cooldown.

Kukan Do is a will save; Stunning Fist is a fort save

[Kza]

It is a lvl 13 quest, and good wraps for that lvl imho.
Next update will be higher lvls and maybe/hopefully even higher lvl wraps.
Had been strange if some viable endgame wraps dropped from a 12-13 chain imho.

[karnokvolrath]

Hate to be a bubble burster but there not intended to be endgame handwraps. Look at the min lvl and the other items out of the series.

ON a side note, you souldnt icy burst ANY holyburst handwraps, just plain holy is better due too ring damage not stacking with holy burst twice.

[thecreechmmo]

ON a side note, you souldnt icy burst ANY holyburst handwraps, just plain holy is better due too ring damage not stacking with holy burst twice.

Noted. Thank you!

-theCreecH

[Malithar45]

Have all the acid damage you want on your "endgame" wraps. Enjoy those 0s on all those devils. :P

[AylinIsAwesome]

Why do I think they are fail? If they wanted to give us some end-game type handwraps that would be useful for dps when we're not using our epic mabar wraps, then they would have made an item with acid damage, or acid burst damage to combine with the stonedust handwraps to create:

This post is fail.

Stonedust wraps weren't meant to be end-game wraps.

[dummeskind]

Not sure whats ur Prob i use the Upgraded version with Vampirism on my lvl 20 Monk.I have 2 the Mabar Epic HW that was before U8 my Main Wraps.I crafted me Holy Burst on my Tod Ring and working atm on next Ring to get me Acid Burst on it.I realy like the HW u stun many with Handwraps rest i stun with the Stunning feats,i heal my self all the time with them and with my Light Way feat im possible to double the healing.U Possible to Flesh to stone many Mobs on norm hard and Elite and sometimes in Epic´s.Got 10 Mobs Flesh to Stone in a Epic Chrono.

It can be better but hey better then nothing^^

[Hendrik]

This post is fail.

Stonedust wraps weren't meant to be end-game wraps.

Bingo!

Why would anyone think loot from a L12(?) Quest is meant to be used as 'end-game' is beyond me...

[Carpone]

Why do I think they are fail? If they wanted to give us some end-game type handwraps that would be useful for dps when we're not using our epic mabar wraps, then they would have made an item with acid damage, or acid burst damage to combine with the stonedust handwraps

Stonedust handwraps are not endgame. Hell, I wouldn't even use them for leveling.

[furbyoats]

...but cant monks get a rediculous line of damage types from assorted burts when they are critting...and dont they have a technique that allows them to auto crit mobs?...so why do they need even more dps?

[Yaga_Nub]

I know it's not optimal but I'd still rather have Force burst of Stunning +8/10 with ToD Holy Burst and Shocking Burst rings. There are still a lot of things that are immune to Holy/Holy Burst so why double on useless damage. There much fewer critters that are immune to Force/Force Burst. And hand wraps are the only non-named weapons that have Force/Force Burst on them so take advantage of that. Plus you can add Icy Burst to them as well.

[LupusVai]

Made a set with vampirism on them. Had a little play around on them with a capped monk. I quite like them. Certainly not any use at end game but they're going to be a pretty solid favourite when i TR him thats for sure and I think they'll still be a strong contender even for vale content.

As i take a reasonable wisdom stat the +6 to stunning is plenty sufficient untill inspired quaters/amarath. The 3% chance of a random stun (before save) and the 5% chance of a FtS (before save) means plenty of easy kill mobs outside of the ones from stunning fist. Vampirism will be a very nice bonus as he'll TR as dark path again.

Not really sure what you'd like from a level 12 set of wraps but I'd say they're pretty sweet now that the FtS DC is 27 despite what the game text says. (17DC)

[corpman]

look im one of them guys who likes to do soe srious damage but there is no reason monks should get anything to get them more dps. I have a capped dex based monk that can hold aggro over (conservative number) 80% of the tanks on my server an there are a few monks on the server that out dps mine. now dps covered self buffed ac at 75 (still waitin to get some more end ame gear then will be mid 80's self buffed ac). why should any class have the highest ac and very high dps endgame? i think this is aother of those i love this class so much i want it to be made easy for me to have everything threads.

[Zectarash]

Is this DC the same for Gorgon Armor? And could someone take a picture of these wraps to post here?

[Asketes]

my endgame wraps were a pair of +4 holy icy burst of bleeding


i loved those