Leadership

[FrozenNova]

So - I'm new to khyber. Capped a variety of toons over yonder and decided to make a build here alongside a friend. In any case, I ran into something unusual while leading Gwylans' on elite, of all things. At the time being I was restricted to typing as voice would've woken people up - nevertheless, it was smooth. We finished the fight in the first stronghold, and I stated that we would be leaving the same way we came as the group rested. 30 seconds later, the wizard declares through voice that we MUST take the other road for conquest and the single trap box.

I quickly object - explaining that there is no need, for the bonuses are near impossible not to acquire regardless, but the damage was dealt. 4/6 of my group broke off and charged up the caster-heavy alternate route, and generally got horribly mauled, only barely pulling through. The wizard didn't try to dispute my response that we hadn't needed to take that route, though rather peeved, looking upon the loss I remarked that this is the result when people don't listen.

The wizard almost exploded, saying that we would've managed had *I* not split the group. Perplexed, I pointed out that I was the leader, had previously stated which way we would be leaving, and had explained the reasons for not taking that route. Following this is the point of discussion - wizard declared that he hated to break it to me, but the star next to my name meant nothing once the quest started, and claimed that since people were following him, he was the leader - allbeit apparently an incompetant one.

As I'm sure you'll understand the remaining 3 followed him because he had voice while I did not, and typed chat tends to fall into a lesser priority, so I hold nothing against them. However, I've never encountered this before. As far as I've seen, joining a group is an agreement to follow the leader as long as his leadership is competant. Is the wizard's belief typical of Khyber? It was stated with such utter convinction as though he had never seen anything else. What say you? Does the creation of the group and assosiated golden star grant the rights of leadership? Or does leadership fall to whichever member the remaining partyers happen to be chasing?

[MeliCat]

Answer: he was a noob.

Move on.

It will get better by the time you get to the vale.

[Doxmaster]

Is the wizard's belief typical of Khyber? It was stated with such utter convinction as though he had never seen anything else. What say you? Does the creation of the group and assosiated golden star grant the rights of leadership? Or does leadership fall to whichever member the remaining partyers happen to be chasing?

This is completely normal behavior on Khyber; the logic goes as follows: "Whoever yells loudest is obviously right; why would they be yelling loud if they were wrong?" Unfortunately, a combination of brute forcing, intense action and the ability to get attention instantly with a mic means this is seen as good natural leadership that transcends having the star and not as idiotic behavior.

Roll a cleric, solo heal and lead; if someone does something stupid, let them die and stay dead. Shuts them up right quick.

[Hafeal]

When someone does that, I let them run off and do what they want. Usually, they die. I finish the task at hand and go retrieve them when I am **** good and ready. Otherwise, they do just fine and we finish that much quicker.

Roll with it.

Sometimes it is a zerger who actually knows something otherwise ... well, there is no substitute for experience.

[Slink]

Roll a cleric, solo heal and lead; if someone does something stupid, let them die and stay dead. Shuts them up right quick.

Wrong.

This tactic usually makes them say more rather than less.
Personally, I find it extremely appealing when they say more.


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[articwarrior]

Wrong.

This tactic usually makes them say more rather than less.
Personally, I find it extremely appealing when they say more.

eh, if you see them in Von 2 or Von 6 then drop their soul stone to the ground and forget, or tell the healer not to res and leave SS within a second of the shrine

[Emili]

Wrong.

This tactic usually makes them say more rather than less.
Personally, I find it extremely appealing when they say more.


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May always turn the music low...

♣Tá mo chroÃ* i gcónaÃ* leat.

[darktau]

The one with the star is by the games definition the party/raid leader. As they are the ones able to add/remove players.

The one infront of the party is the point man and as point man there job is to show what dangers there are, either by getting hit by the traps or mobed.

The one not lissening to the party lead and has the party trying to keep up, is following his idol Leeroy Jenkins, and we all know how that turned out.


Sadly its the followers decision as to who leads in the quests. And the followers will generaly follow the loudest voice chat with the least graspe of how to get the bonuses. Generaly getting you a 5% bonus exp at the cost of 10% bonus exp becouse someone died...

[hityawithastick]

IMHO, whoever sets up the group leads unless they are completely incompetent. This dude obviously interpreted the old adage 'leading from behind' to mean that if he hung back from combat, he should be in charge.

[andbr22]

Beside today what is leader for (especially in quest like Tear of Dhakkan, or Gwynlan's Stand).
We all run it usually "by defined pattern" (commmon knowledge (funny thing it differs by server, i saw that running Raver's Fate at Khyber we usually go all left to a corner, at Cannith they usually stay just in front of barrier)), and leader only say ok we doing Tears optionals, or return this same way we entered.
Leader is the person with shining star, or other who take this role, but only when leader don't say anything about tactics (and NO, Tear or gwynladn don't require tactic)
And you were right. You don't need to take other sides to catch all of the optionals there.

[Nexx]

Sounds like a wizard I ran with not too long ago.
Except we ran STK & he insisted that you absolutely CAN NOT
"light the 4" otherwise you screw yourself out of loot.

Seeing as it has nothing to do with loot (unless they've changed it which I doubt)
we lit them to only hear him go irate and eventually he recalled and dropped group, lol.

[Enoach]

of course the real problem with that is that people joining your group have to accept that status. Generally speaking when you meet people that do not accept that for either the group you have the star or a group you joined where you don't have the star, it is better to "add them to the list"

exceptions:

1. Leader absolutly does not know what they are doing <- best course is to politely leave.
2. Your carring the leader's SS in your pack <- you become leader by proxey
3. Leader (star) admits they don't know what's needed/involved and asks for help


To Nexx - The only thing you get when you "light the 4" is Four extra spiders. What you get for not lighting the 4 is 4 less kills.

[azrael4h]

You found an *******. At low levels especially, but prevalent throughout, you'll continue to find them, until you stop pugging. Even then, unless you solo, you're likely to have that one guild member...

[Nexx]

To Nexx - The only thing you get when you "light the 4" is Four extra spiders. What you get for not lighting the 4 is 4 less kills.

Yeah, I know - someone didn't inform the wizard correctly haha

[Schmoe]

So - I'm new to khyber.

Hi Welcome

[HeavenlyCloud]

Wrong.

This tactic usually makes them say more rather than less.
Personally, I find it extremely appealing when they say more.


Do you see that Emi?
Táim i ngrá leat♣

/slinktstalk!