Yet another loot thread.

[TitoJ]

Is this just a badly typed out OP that I'm not understanding here, or am I just an idiot (no need to answer here...move on to the point!)

But I've read that doggone OP several times, and I don't see anywhere where it says Player A actually rolled on both items, and I also see that player B initiated the idea for the trade.

*** is everyone else reading here? Why so down on player A?

[Zigana]

Is this just a badly typed out OP that I'm not understanding here, or am I just an idiot (no need to answer here...move on to the point!)

But I've read that doggone OP several times, and I don't see anywhere where it says Player A actually rolled on both items, and I also see that player B initiated the idea for the trade.

*** is everyone else reading here? Why so down on player A?

I think the implication here is that Player A rolled on something that he obviously didn't need/want if he was willing to trade it off for something else. Which is kinda poor form if others are rolling on it (the assumption being you're rolling on it because you want/need said item). However, I don't know that it is such a cut and dry situation as it might seem at first glance, such as another poster pointed out. It would make me watch said player closely in future runs, but I wouldn't necessarily blacklist for this.

[Gunga]

Ahem.

Now then:

Player A wants any loot that drops.

Player B wants any loot that drops.

Player C wants any loot that drops.

Player D wants any loot that drops.

Player E wants any loot that drops.

Player F wants Dreamspitter.

Player G wants Dreamspitter.

Player H wants Dreamspitter.

Player I wants Dreamspitter.

Player J has everything and wants another 20 completions.

Player K has everything and wants another 20 completions.

Player L has everything and wants another 20 completions.


Chest opens.

Player K pulls Cloudburst.

Player L pulls Dreamspitter.

Rolling commences.


Players D and E roll on Cloudburst being the only players on any server who still roll on Cloudburst. Player D wins.


Players A - I roll on Dreamspitter. Player E wins. Player E, having no idea what he/she really is looking for, lusts after a big sword with lightning on it. In a moment of clarity, Player E sends a private tell to Player D begging Player D to trade the Shiny Sword for the silly staff. Player D, clearly understanding the value of the silly staff agrees, happily taking advantage of the newb with a lust for big shiny lightning swords.


The swap happens.


Everyone congratulates each other on another simple raid completion, and goes on their merry ways.



Why no aggravation or posting on the forums about slights and misappropriations?

Because everyone understands that it's your loot, and you do what you want with it.


/bow

[unscythe]

Ahem.

Now then:

Player A wants any loot that drops.

Player B wants any loot that drops.

Player C wants any loot that drops.

Player D wants any loot that drops.

Player E wants any loot that drops.

Player F wants Dreamspitter.

Player G wants Dreamspitter.

Player H wants Dreamspitter.

Player I wants Dreamspitter.

Player J has everything and wants another 20 completions.

Player K has everything and wants another 20 completions.

Player L has everything and wants another 20 completions.


Chest opens.

Player K pulls Cloudburst.

Player L pulls Dreamspitter.

Rolling commences.


Players D and E roll on Cloudburst being the only players on any server who still roll on Cloudburst. Player D wins.


Players A - I roll on Dreamspitter. Player E wins. Player E, having no idea what he/she really is looking for, lusts after a big sword with lightning on it. In a moment of clarity, Player E sends a private tell to Player D begging Player D to trade the Shiny Sword for the silly staff. Player D, clearly understanding the value of the silly staff agrees, happily taking advantage of the newb with a lust for big shiny lightning swords.


The swap happens.


Everyone congratulates each other on another simple raid completion, and goes on their merry ways.



Why no aggravation or posting on the forums about slights and misappropriations?

Because everyone understands that it's your loot, and you do what you want with it.


/bow

/fixed
Now do it using the OP version of putting a letter to a player!

[EustaceTrevelyan]

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I, personally, wouldn't roll on a second item if I already won one. Much like if I get one item that I want myself, I won't roll on another that's up. Then again that is how I roll (pun 100% intended) and can't expect everyone to follow the same unwritten/unspoken methods.

Well, groups are going to vary, and while the OP situation is definitely a gray area, if i was giving something up to roll, I'd disqualify anyone who already won something, until everyone had at least something.

[hets]

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I'm still Player F-I.

When I reach Player J-L status I'll probably stop making inane loot threads and start bringing the real drama guns, like forum rep or making fun of newbs.

[Gunga]

I'm still Player F-I.

When I reach Player J-L status I'll probably stop making inane loot threads and start bringing the real drama guns, like forum rep or making fun of newbs.

I'm not making fun at all.

Just don't get worked up over loot...people start hanging the words "morally correct" on loot etiquette and it starts getting people all freaked out.

You're going to get yours if you play regularly. I promise.

[hets]

I'm not making fun at all.

Just don't get worked up over loot...people start hanging the words "morally correct" on loot etiquette and it starts getting people all freaked out.

You're going to get yours if you play regularly. I promise.

I know you weren't making fun, don't worry about that. And I believe you.

But in the rare case that I never get my Dreamspitter, can I quote and blame you for jinxing me?

[Gunga]

I know you weren't making fun, don't worry about that. And I believe you.

But in the rare case that I never get my Dreamspitter, can I quote and blame you for jinxing me?

May you not get your Dreamspitter until your 81st Reaver.

Your loot. Do what you want with it.

[sirgog]

barb just outrolled 2 wiz's in vod for bracers of the glacier.....

feelin you're pain.

Good, it's better on the Barbarian than on a Wizard. I hate that the ONLY item with that fire shield guard (which in many cases is as good as having 50-100 more HP) in the whole game has caster stats on it.

Wizards use it until they get better Spell Pen items; for a Barbarian, that item is irreplaceable and will be used (occasionally) when they are decked out in epics.




Back to the OP - I'd blacklist those players and speak to officers of their guilds about it. If you ever find yourself in a group with either of them, don't honor any rolls they make. Hopefully it'll hit them with a much rarer item than a Dreamspitter (maybe you'll have an Encrusted or Ravager ring drop under your name, they'll win the roll, and you'll say out loud 'remember that time you proxy rolled on the Cloudburst/Dreamspitter? Here's payback' and pass it to the #2 roller.

[xylenium]

How common is this sort of activity? New to the game and am now wondering about ninja looters.

How does the "rolling" for loot work? Is it built into the system, or are groups using trust?

Coming from other MMO's, the general idea is that if it is not a bound on pickup type item, then everyone has a shot at it, since what is useful for one person is cash/trade material for another.

[Inkblack]

How common is this sort of activity? New to the game and am now wondering about ninja looters.

How does the "rolling" for loot work? Is it built into the system, or are groups using trust?

Coming from other MMO's, the general idea is that if it is not a bound on pickup type item, then everyone has a shot at it, since what is useful for one person is cash/trade material for another.

It's just like anything else in a chest -- it falls to a certain character. It's considered good form to put anything you will not use up for roll, since it will bind to you if you take it. Once it binds to you, if you aren't gonig to use it you either sell it to a bartender for a pittance or let it rot in your inventory/bank. Most people would rather let someone else have it, so everyone wins.

Rolling is done by the characters that would like the item, d100 is most common: /roll 1d100

Whoever gets the highest (or lowest, depending upon preference) is considered the winner and the person passes the loot to them in the chest.

It's usually only an issue when someone else thinks they have a right to something with someone else's name on it. Hence the oft repeated, "Your loot is your loot."

[muffinlad]

Reaver's run.

To simplify things, we get 2 named items in the chest. A Cloudburst and a Dreamspitter. Cloudburst up for roll.

Player A rolls for it. Player B rolls for it. Some other players roll for it as well. Player A ends up winning the Cloudburst.


Now.. Player B is the one who got the Dreamspitter. He tells to Player A that he'll trade his Dreamspitter for the Cloudburst, and Player A agrees.




I find what Player A did to be wrong and it annoyed me. I consider this to be as bad as proxy rolling. Is it me or is it just wrong to roll for loot that you're not going to use? I'm not even talking loot for your next TR life.

This is basically the same as me rolling for an item and then telling the ones who lost on their roll to bid for it, since I'm selling it to whomever pays the most.

Another fine example of why I wont allow folks to roll for items I pull and do not want.

I ask for people to do one of two things:

A) Explain why they want the item, and what they are going to do with it. Who ever I like better, I give the item to. What they do with it afterwards is not a huge concern, but if they did trade it, etc. I would just not give them the item again.

B) Dance off. Dance your toon, points for back flips, etc. I choose the winner. I don't care what you do with the item.

I am not really interested in fair, I am interested in being amused.

muffinweird.

[sirgog]

How common is this sort of activity? New to the game and am now wondering about ninja looters.

How does the "rolling" for loot work? Is it built into the system, or are groups using trust?

Coming from other MMO's, the general idea is that if it is not a bound on pickup type item, then everyone has a shot at it, since what is useful for one person is cash/trade material for another.

You see minor disputes over an item maybe once in ten raids and major disputes once in fifty.

Minor disputes being, say, an item with uses to multiple classes (Bracers of the Glacier being the main one - it has one ability that's awesome on melees and can't be found anywhere else, but it also has two good and one bad caster abilities too). Someone from one of the classes rolls on it and wins it, and someone from one of the others throws a fit. Several Tower of Despair rings that are great for all melee classes but even better for one particular class occasionally cause this too.

Major disputes like the OP's one are dishonest enough to consider them equivalent to ninja-looting and are rare.