Beware of Share !!

[PopeJual]

(outside of the special circumstances that Hound, VoD and A Relic of Sovereign Past offer)

Also, I don't know if this is just a weird coincidence, but I've only ever seen someone ask for a VoD share once, but about 1/4 of my Hound runs end up with someone asking for a share. Go figure.

[Drak]

I personally throw shares when raids are forming, mine or not. I am looking for the inevitable "player x is not on the right goal" or however it is worded that says they forgot the end reward or are on timer, so we dont find out as we all enter and begin.
To the point. I will share any quest, and hope it doesnt bode ill. But I would have short manned it anyway, so the worst case is I carry a stone to the end.

[Talltale-Storyteller]

I have to say, I started playing PD in The Sublime because of bad pugs, but have been considering removing one of my toons from the guild after dying and continuing in non-PD...


Threads like this are disturbing, because while I am no Vet, I am certainly no n00b, and have a better understanding of game and build mechanics than many Vets - due to research and rolling a bilion different toons to get killed in The Sublime. I have little or no concept of "end game" other than reading forums, and seeing the condescending nature that alot of players refer to people who are inexperienced is more than a little off-putting and discouraging when thinking about playing a character outside The Sublime.

I am not directing this towards the OP per se, as I recognize that there is a difference between being open and acknowledging that you don't know the quest and may need some pointers, or even about using discretion when selecting a LFM. But just in general the over the top condescension is way uncalled for... at some point everybody had a first run of a quest or raid, just some people's are later than others.

[Cauthey]

Call me an old fuddy duddy if you will, but I'm more likely to respond favourably to:
"Could I have a share please, I don't know where the quest is."

then I am to:

"Shar plz"

for some reason it just bugs me that this guy is in so much of a rush he can't even pause long enough to type an extra few keystrokes for the sake of manners.

I think this is the key. In an earlier post, I offered examples of what might be kicked, and what might not be kicked.

When PUGing, you have to make a first impression as the rest of the party likely doesn't know you. When the first words out of your keyboard are "shr plz," you're not making a good impression.

It would seem that you're better off to first type a greeting to the party, and then ask (using proper punctuation and complete sentences) where the quest giver is. I would wager that would earn you a quest share every single time.

It's not so much that "shr plz" = /boot. I think it's more "bad first impression" = /boot, and that "shr plz" = "bad first impression."

[MerlinSylver]

Not exactly a noob here... but not exactly a vet either. I played DDO a couple of years ago and am just now getting back into it..

What are these people asking for when they ask for a Share? I was under the impression that every chest gives dedicated treasure to every member of the party...

[Cauthey]

Not exactly a noob here... but not exactly a vet either. I played DDO a couple of years ago and am just now getting back into it..

What are these people asking for when they ask for a Share? I was under the impression that every chest gives dedicated treasure to every member of the party...

They are asking that the LFM or the party they just joined share the quest with them. Since they just joined up, they may not have spoken to the quest giver yet. It's a matter of pressing "L" to go to the quests menu, finding the quest listed there, and clicking Share.

"Shr plz" appears to be a sentiment along the lines of "feed me! feed me!," illustrating a player who is unwilling to do for themselves and wants everyone else to do for them, instead.

[MerlinSylver]

So... it's essentially a way of asking to join the group after they have already joined the group?

Yeah, that would aggravate the heck out of me...

[Cauthey]

So... it's essentially a way of asking to join the group after they have already joined the group?

Yeah, that would aggravate the heck out of me...

Not quite. Well, perhaps some might characterize it that way. Consider it like this:

I want to do VoN2 on Elite, and I need some people. So, I put up a Looking For More (LFM) notice through the social panel ("O"). In the LFM description, I type "VoN2 on Elite, bring your own heals."

Someone joins my LFM. The first words out of their mouth are "shr plz." Now, if they joined my party from the LFM, they ought to know that we're forming up to run VoN2. They don't need me to tell them that - they should have read the LFM. That being the case, there is no reason why they can't go to the quest giver while waiting for the party to fill out. They demonstrate that instead of doing the work for themselves, they want everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. There is a presumed high chance that the player is going to pike, and not do their part in the quest.

Less aggrivating from the Pick Up Grouper (PUGer) would be "I don't know the quest. Who do I need to talk to in order to get it?" This shows a willingness to do their part.

[MerlinSylver]

Forgive my ignorance... as I said it's been a long while since I've actually played...

So 'Share' is an option that allows a someone who is joining to gain the quest, without talking to the quest giver?

Also, I assume this is more for noobs that are just out to be lazy... for instance, if we were all friends, getting ready to do a quest, then asking your buddies to share would be alright, to go ahead and get to the quest right away...

I intend to become a somewhat active player, so I want to get the etiquette right before I start grouping up.

[Failedlegend]

Forgive my ignorance... as I said it's been a long while since I've actually played...

So 'Share' is an option that allows a someone who is joining to gain the quest, without talking to the quest giver?

Also, I assume this is more for noobs that are just out to be lazy... for instance, if we were all friends, getting ready to do a quest, then asking your buddies to share would be alright, to go ahead and get to the quest right away...

I intend to become a somewhat active player, so I want to get the etiquette right before I start grouping up.

Well you've really only seen the one side of the argument the other side is it causes a arrow to appear on your mini map showing you where the quest entrance is so it allows people who haven't done the quest before to know where the entrance is....as far as the "Share plz" being rude...that's dumb get over yourself it takes one button click...vs. the other player having to open up ddowiki and attempt to find the quest location it only facilitates the quests getting started faster.

Than again I'm not a powergamer and I don't get ner rage if we lose the +10% bonus because someone died...I play to have fun....not to beat the record for leveling from 1-20...so apprently I'm a minority in alot of things (It's unbelieveable how many people treat this like a competition and not something to have fun with)


Here's a list of what SOME other people do in case it has changed since you last played.

- Check each and every applicant to ANY quest on MyDDO (which is bugged as hell...i apparently have no toons according to it :P) and if a rogue has 390 instead of 400 Hp they get booting.

- Boot anyone without question that's doesn't follow a well known cookie cutter build

- Require people to explain why they deserve to keep their own loot even if it's clearly designed specifically for that persons class/build

- Get through quests as fast as possible to be able to maintain a specific Xp/Per second

- Scream OP!!!!! Everytime something cool is released that their toon doesn't have access to...ie. a new race and/or class

You see what I mean by turning a GAME into work...yeah. Anyways hope that helps. Always remember though just because something seems like a majority opinion on the forums doesn't mean its so in-gamine

[MerlinSylver]

Ah, well, I probably wont be using cookie cutter builds, and I definitely wont be rushing through dungeons like hatter with a bee in his pants... so I guess I need to hook up with a guild that feels the same way.

Thanks for the heads up, ya'll!

[FuzzyDuck81]

Forgive my ignorance... as I said it's been a long while since I've actually played...

So 'Share' is an option that allows a someone who is joining to gain the quest, without talking to the quest giver?

Also, I assume this is more for noobs that are just out to be lazy... for instance, if we were all friends, getting ready to do a quest, then asking your buddies to share would be alright, to go ahead and get to the quest right away...

I intend to become a somewhat active player, so I want to get the etiquette right before I start grouping up.

In the quest log, theres a "share" button for (most) of the quests that can be used as a shortcut to give the quest to another party member without having them run up to the quest giver, talk to them etc. its also useful in some areas, especially raids like the subterrane, where people might forget to pick it up again (pre-share a lot of vets would often forget to retake HoX or VoD & need a rerun through the area, let alone inexperienced people).

The main issue isnt so much as asking for a share but a person immediately demanding it upon joining a group "shr plz" before even saying hi just reflects a lack of simple manners where you could use the far more polite "can i get a share to save a detour/get an arrow/save the hassle of 20 lines of dialogue/whatever please?".

It'll also highlight lack of knowledge of the quest for some things (eg. walk-ups, things you have to be flagged for when the lfm specifically notes "be flagged" etc) that can act as a good heads-up for party leaders about potential problem members, as someone not willing to take 10secs to be even a little polite is quite likely to also be the one who ignores other basic instructions, advice etc. or in extreme cases start screaming abuse when they inevitably die from a completely avoidable cause ("WAIT, TRAP AHEAD!" *DING* "OMG NOOB RAIZE!" *DING* "NOOB!" "pay attention & dont accept raise IN the trap..." *DING* "OMG NOOB!") then try and blame others for their own stupidity.

[LupusVai]

As I think i've mentioned before in one of these share please threads. I have taken to replying to "shr plz" with "the quest giver will be happy to share it with you". (i know its rude but i kind of feel that when the first and only thing someone joining a group says is SHR PLZ, that its justified)

Unfortunatley i can't take credit for that little gem though as i first heard it from one of my former guildies who has departed to ghallanda.

We miss ya A + S.

[MerlinSylver]

So it's not really rude to ask for a Share... it's more about how it's executed.

I, personally, love to chat up with my party members, so that shouldn't be a problem.

[soloman]

<Snip>

Few more things for ya.

1. Nerdrage more often comes from those booted for being inconsiderate asses. They send tells calling the PL bad names and complain on the forums about uber-leet-ism.

2. Cookie cutter builds? More often than not youll get a vet in your group that will ask you about your build (if its whacky and out there) and offer assistance or cheer you on. Most noobs anymore wont listen though. Theyll insist on running their Pally,Cleic,Sorcs with AC in the 20s and the HP of a Kobold in WW as a hate tank through GH elite. (I still never got those scrolls in the mail BTW if your out there)

3. IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF VETERAN GAMERS TO HOLD HANDS WITH EVERY NEW PLAYER THAT STEPS OFF THE BOAT! The new player HAS to want it, take the time to learn it and give the PL the option on whether they feel like teaching it.

4. You should change your name to "Failedlogic", just saying.

[Aloro]

Pfft, like the son of God wouldn't have Evasion...

That's why the quote as I've heard it before was, "Jesus saves - everyone else takes full damage".

My real takeaway from this thread though is "Cher plz". I gotta use that and see how people respond.

[royboy]

Share plz.

You may be on to something Solo.

Docsin

[Aloro]

So it's not really rude to ask for a Share... it's more about how it's executed.

I, personally, love to chat up with my party members, so that shouldn't be a problem.

Precisely. There's nothing wrong with asking people to share a quest in general, but it can be indicative of someone who doesn't intend to carry their own weight.

If someone isn't willing to observe the basic social niceties, it's possible that you're really going to regret letting them into your group. It's best not to judge too quickly though.

So, sure, if someone joins the group and immediately says, "Shr pls" that throw up a red flag for me. If they say, "Can you share the quest please? I don't want to run all the way out to the quest giver if I can avoid it" then, sure, I'm happy to help. If the quest giver is right outside the quest though, or if it's a quest that triggers when you enter it... "shr pls" tells you that person is going to be a millstone around the party's neck.

[begbie]

Here I am, running from Abbot on my DPs to Epic Chronos and I asked "hey can somone share the raid, it'll save me a cpl minutes" lol.. I heard the groans.. someone shared and then the server went off-line!!!!!!!

eek

Yes, the downtime is my fault :P

[Bunker]

IMO - Share quest is a great benifit.

Ask any speed leveling group.
Ask any player that desn't want to run to House D so they can gt into the Black Anvil Mines in House K.
Ask anyone that has do VoD or HoX.

Share is good.