Returning player, PaleMaster question

[BigMike2716]

Hello, I am returning to the game and I had heard that some of the summons do not stack now with the recent update, a friend tells me you cant have out Minion of Vulkoor and a Summon monster at the same time.

I was wondering does this also happen with PaleMaster minions and summoned monsters? I would be really bumbed out if they cannot both be out at the same time.

Thanks a bunch in advance

~Mike~

[Esserbe]

I'm not sure, but I am sure that they are all terrible and the AP are better spent elsewhere than on the pets.

[Entelech]

Okay...

You can have one undead minion AND one other pet (summon monster / metal dog / drow scorpion) for a total of two pets as a Pale Master.

The Knights have good hitpoints and can take aggro, making a fine distraction, and the archers aren't bad for a little free DPS.

Don't bother with the mages. They like to spam firewalls and put them in the stupidest places imaginable. The only way they could be worse is if they had Grease.

Since you're almost certainly taking the fire/cold enhancements anyway, if you're getting Pale Master at all, you may as well spend 1 extra point per tier on the Knights. Two per tier for archers may even be worthwhile.

And, if you try them and decide you don't like them, you can always respec enhancements.

[BigMike2716]

Thanks alot man, im glad to know they do indeed stack, and can explain to my friend why his scoprion drow one does not.

For first reply, i know they arent terribly effective but its more for flavor, and some added damage as i focus on enchantment/necromancy spells which dont do dmg for the most part.

thanks again

~Mike~

[Bogenbroom]

Just for the record, you can have a summoned undead (via the PM enhancements,) a summoned monster, and a created undead (via the create undead spell) all at the same time.

[kilagan800]

Hello, I am returning to the game and I had heard that some of the summons do not stack now with the recent update, a friend tells me you cant have out Minion of Vulkoor and a Summon monster at the same time.

I was wondering does this also happen with PaleMaster minions and summoned monsters? I would be really bumbed out if they cannot both be out at the same time.

Thanks a bunch in advance

~Mike~

Yes, you can have them at the same time. I use a blackbone skelie and a summon moster VII. The skelie has a great AC and lasts about the entire quest. However its dps is a little lacking, but at least it fights and doesn't stand around. The summoned monster VII has poor AC, but dishes out fair dps.

I have a question though, would augmented summoning improve pale masters?

[Archer001]

I have a question though, would augmented summoning improve pale masters?

Yes it does

[frznvimes]

Heh, it even works on charmed monsters

[Entelech]

My PM has Augment Summoning.

Due to a mix-up in communication, my Frostbone Knight wound up effectively soloing Cholthuzz in Litany of the Dead normal.

He managed to beat the beholder down from about 90% to 10% and I believe he might have defeated Cholthuzz if the skeleton archers there didn't respawn, or if I'd been able to help.

Those Frostbone Knights are SERIOUSLY tough.