running around buffless makes your cleric cry

[NaturalHazard]

ok, I try to do buff on the run in 6 man quests but its hard sometimes with raids I just do what I can, im glad i dont have that many buffs to hand out unlike others.

Hehe playing my ranger sometimes people ask me to resist the whole raid, barkskin, poisen resistance and the most important one Freedom of movement. Many are supprised that I have enough Sp to cover this but it does take a while casting all those and I cant do it all for everyone on the run I got other things to do as well, like fighting.It helps when you got another ranger or caster and you can split responsibilities for buffs to cut down on the time. Ok i got barkskin and fom and you can do the poisen resist, fire resist. I love the mysterious bauble honestly im glad that when i fell for me i looted it even though the other casters in the pug whined.

[Aranticus]

i like running around in the buff.....




































..... oh... wrong buff

[MeliCat]

ok, I try to do buff on the run in 6 man quests but its hard sometimes with raids I just do what I can, im glad i dont have that many buffs to hand out unlike others.

Hehe playing my ranger sometimes people ask me to resist the whole raid, barkskin, poisen resistance and the most important one Freedom of movement. Many are supprised that I have enough Sp to cover this but it does take a while casting all those and I cant do it all for everyone on the run I got other things to do as well, like fighting.It helps when you got another ranger or caster and you can split responsibilities for buffs to cut down on the time. Ok i got barkskin and fom and you can do the poisen resist, fire resist. I love the mysterious bauble honestly im glad that when i fell for me i looted it even though the other casters in the pug whined.

yeah it's great how rangers and pallys can do the resists - i guess i don't often ask if we have a sorc in party (so much faster for the sorc to do it and they *do* have the sp). i would prefer palllys to use their sp for dmg and self buffs and self healing if needed. for rangers i'm fairly clueless (i am going to TR a particular monk into one so that i can begin to understand the class better) so again i wouldn't normally ask them to do stuff unless it's one particular buff to make things speedier (eg part 5 shroud "ranger x do fom, sorc y do fire, bard z do GH, any non-monk fleshie slackers who haven't bothered to buy poison pots please say and i'll neut you")

as i understand it (and i don't really have a full understanding of this) barkskin is really only useful on AC builds by end game - so if you can always just automatically barkskin monks (they'll love you if they can save their pots) and maybe the rogues. not much point doing anyone else unless they ask because they want the extra AC (so maybe some fighter builds? pally? no idea really). low levels of the game (and i don't know what other sp stresses you have or even when bark becomes available) it might be useful for a lot more... i guess i should find out...

[MeliCat]

just telling them I am gonna be in the quest is enough to make them cry..."LEROY JEEENNNKINNNNNSSSSSSS"


In all fairness to the players, it is a trained way of thinking.
My last two TRs that were brought up could not get resists even begging in text or chat about 90% of the time.
Seriously.

Many casters for some reason do not carry resist...or just about any other buff. You learn that it is you and only you, no buffs.
You learn how to do it.

Now they run with you and they are not expecting any kind of buffing. The only thing you can do is help retrain them.
I would think a nice how-to in the cleric/wiz forums would help out a lot.

i loled at Leroy

i remember being confused about resists and protection and what to do with resists when i first started on a caster. resists particularly how you have to drag them to your hotbar.

in fact i was running around necro 4 with a wizard while on my not-so-baby- cleric 2days ago and while i was happily resisting the rest of the party in Inferno i kept noticing he wasn't resisting himself (or jump or blur) so i started chatting in tells and he was a bit confused and i started telling him about my own confusion when i started. but, *fabulous* player that he is, next day he catches me online again and i asked him again and he immediately casted resist on me. so i think it's just not knowing about things and trying to work it out. he'd only been playing for like 3 weeks - had got to level 14 and it just hadn't come up for him.

i think that actually that sort of tip should be in the splash load screens as, as has been pointed out above, a lot of people dont' go near the forums.

[k0ukla]

i like running around in the buff.....




































..... oh... wrong buff

LMAO i almost spat drink at my screen

...u just like running around anyway

[sirgog]

LMAO i almost spat drink at my screen

...u just like running around anyway

Traumatic thought, eh?

[MeliCat]

Traumatic thought, eh?

Aranticus running around in the buff is indeed enough to make me cry

[noinfo]

Aranticus running around in the buff is indeed enough to make me cry

Which is why we try and contain him to the guilds air ship. Unfortunately sometimes he does get out

[NaturalHazard]

yeah well i often barkskin pallys as well as the monks, sometimes if im feeling funny i just barkskin everyone so we can all look ugly!!! Its a bit of a waste of sp, so i only do it on quests/raids im pretty sure we can handle no problem. with the bauble and spell storing ring I can normally refill my sp 1 1/2 times between shrines.

[MeliCat]

yeah well i often barkskin pallys as well as the monks, sometimes if im feeling funny i just barkskin everyone so we can all look ugly!!! Its a bit of a waste of sp, so i only do it on quests/raids im pretty sure we can handle no problem. with the bauble and spell storing ring I can normally refill my sp 1 1/2 times between shrines.

this is cool.

and ALWAYS barkskin skin people in red dragon scale armor. or stone skin.

ba$tards. *i'll* never have red dragon scale armour.

[k0ukla]

Traumatic thought, eh?

lol yes it hurt my eyes thinkin about it lol

[jillie]

Am I the only one that's still trying to figure out if Nexxi is posting only in Haiku form?

haiku is a very
strictly constructed verse form
need five seven five

In other words, she's posting verse, and quite nicely, but not haiku.

[nayozz]

i play divine arcane.
i do not buff myself or others.

sometimes i cast buff on the go.
sometimes i cast buff before opening a certain room.

my concern is:are the others rushy enough to dodge monsters letting them die in blade barrier?

if a critical buff is required i let them know and still buff on the go while they and myself with bb clear a room
yes i can still clear a stack of monsters while i buff others.

if a particular enemy needs removal. usually healer stunner debuffer or mage. i let them know. and we fod it or trip etc

my tactic is:
split
each member enter a particular room
kill named in less then a second
gather to the final room
required buffs for the final threat
no time to wait we start final battle
usually late comers find the final boss almost dead.
room still full of enemies who wont be able to harass us while we open the final chest located in a room they cannot enter
keeping window open while late comers get loot
considering how much time it took to do said quest and try to lower it.
if it took too much time is not a problem but anyway is very nice to know we can do the quest x number of times
while the generic group tries to complete it and has to wait the cleric to throw on them everything
also is nice to know we can single man naked each part of the quest while generic group still have hard time doing all togheter
even if fully buffed.
if someone dies is not a problem. just a laugh. rez. and try again.
usually we bid some money on who will be the first to die. or the faster to complete more objective.

[nayozz]

my motto is:

do not buff ! Please leave those poor monsters a chance !

[Zombiekenny]

dear Zombiekenny let me see... in this wall of text you've called me incompetant, rude, slow, demanding and clueless. thank you for your contribution to this thread.

Only if what I said applies to you. If it doesn't then I didn't.

[Boldrin]

i play divine arcane.
i do not buff myself or others.

sometimes i cast buff on the go.
sometimes i cast buff before opening a certain room.

my concern is:are the others rushy enough to dodge monsters letting them die in blade barrier?

if a critical buff is required i let them know and still buff on the go while they and myself with bb clear a room
yes i can still clear a stack of monsters while i buff others.

if a particular enemy needs removal. usually healer stunner debuffer or mage. i let them know. and we fod it or trip etc

my tactic is:
split
each member enter a particular room
kill named in less then a second
gather to the final room
required buffs for the final threat
no time to wait we start final battle
usually late comers find the final boss almost dead.
room still full of enemies who wont be able to harass us while we open the final chest located in a room they cannot enter
keeping window open while late comers get loot
considering how much time it took to do said quest and try to lower it.
if it took too much time is not a problem but anyway is very nice to know we can do the quest x number of times
while the generic group tries to complete it and has to wait the cleric to throw on them everything
also is nice to know we can single man naked each part of the quest while generic group still have hard time doing all togheter
even if fully buffed.
if someone dies is not a problem. just a laugh. rez. and try again.
usually we bid some money on who will be the first to die. or the faster to complete more objective.

You must be awesome in lvl 10 content, lol. Ever run a raid? Just asking..

[MeliCat]

Only if what I said applies to you. If it doesn't then I didn't.

Well I think you need to read the OP then. And you can decide if it applies to me. The way you posted implies very much that you think it applies to me.




Boldrin it's ok - I read it that way too I just wanted to ask "so... are you doing quests at like level or a little bit up from level" but I decided not to...

ah Khyber. drama llama farmers...

[Zombiekenny]

Well I think you need to read the OP then. And you can decide if it applies to me. The way you posted implies very much that you think it applies to me.




Boldrin it's ok - I read it that way too I just wanted to ask "so... are you doing quests at like level or a little bit up from level" but I decided not to...

ah Khyber. drama llama farmers...

Ah, no, wasn't intended as a direct response to the OP, just related to the sentiment some people have when buffing that everyone needs everything, and any less than everything is far to little. In your case you said 'minimum buffs' so it likely doesn't apply to you.
Well... depending on what you consider minimum anyways

[Lorz]

Buffs are for the weak.

[Valezra]

is it COMPLETELY unreasonable for me, a sucky cleric, to want my fellow party members *not* to run off immediately into battle without minimum buffs? (in this case resist fire, elec, dw)

i don't get that... i really don't get that.

and then *i* get blamed when i run out of sp and scrolls trying to keep up and heal people. (because i'm still running behind them trying to buff them too at the same time).

and before you have a go at me i'm usually pretty fast - i don't make people wait 10mins for me and am pretty fast on the buttons the second you get up from shrining. i even got complimented today on being a speedy cleric lol.

sheesh.

GET SOME BUFFS

and if your divine/arcane doesn't give you any resists and you know you need them, chug a resist 20 pot or put on a greater item. use that dw clickie. or GH clickie.

/rant off

i'm going to sleep. khyber drama do your stuff.

A good defense is a strong offense. Before they complain about you not healing them when they die, you need to immediately (upon their death) yell at them for costing you 10% XP in the quest.

Healing and Survival is not the Healers job... it's the parties job. If they are too dumb to get out of trouble until they can get healed back up, then that is their problem.

Buffs are not the issue... these kinds of people will die due to bad playing with or without buffs.

Val