my Noob Wiz WF 32pt Build

[Winter_storm]

Was looking through many builds. I bit and pieced from some I saw and came up with this. All spells selected will be ones not on scrolls. Lvl 8 and 9 spell selection is:

Trap the Soul
Mass Charm Monster
Otto's Irresistable Dance
Greater Shout
Polar Ray
Mass Repair Critical Damage
Wail of the Banshee
Meteor Swarm
Mass Hold Monster
Energy Drain
Summon Monster IX
Power Word: Kill

Heres the build

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(20 Wizard)
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1786

BAB: 10/10/15/20
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 6
Will: 13

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 8 10
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 18 28
Wisdom 10 12
Charisma 10 12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 1 11
Bluff 0 1
Concentration 7 28
Diplomacy 0 1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 1
Heal 0 1
Hide -1 4
Intimidate 0 1
Jump 2 12
Listen 0 1
Move Silently 1 11
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 8 32
Search 4 10
Spot 0 12
Swim 0 1
Tumble n/a 1
Use Magic Device 2 12.5

Level 1 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell

Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: CConcentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness

Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+1.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration

Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell

Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration

Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy

Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1) \par Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy

Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)

Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Enlarge Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Master of Magic
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I

[anynamewilldo]

I wouldn't take mithril body. It helps at low levels, but you'll wish you had a more useful feat later.

Even casters should try to be over 400 hp at cap, with a wf with toughness it's very easy. If you dropped mithril body for toughness, you could use the ap saved from inscribed armor 2 and 3 to partly fund the purchase of some of the racial toughness enhancements.

I like insightful reflexes. It has saved me many times from a quick death. It might be a harder sell on a pure build without evasion, but still worth it imho.

With a little gear farming, you could probably get by without IMT and maybe MT also. Maybe you could take the first one with the intention of swapping it out for free when the gear comes. I would hold off taking the second as long as possible to make sure you really need it. As an example, I have an 18/2 build so I'm missing 2 levels worth of sp plus the capstone. I have MT and the only sp item I currently have is an archmagi belt and I have enough sp for nearly every situation. If you currently have characters farming ingredients, you shouldn't need IMT. You'll want to farm sands heavily for ss ring and torq on your way up as well.

[darko.87]

Okay, first problem: don't put points into strength on a wizard. EVER.

Second problem: You need to take toughness/mental toughness/improved mental toughness ASAP, as they get better as you level.

Third problem: You only need to put .5 points into jump per level. Jump caps at 45, using the jump spell (+30 to jump) Greater heroism (+4 to all skills) and Rage (+2 to constitution=+1 to jump) you can get a 45 jump.

Fourth problem: Power Word: Kill is useless, I've yet to find a good use for it. Same with Mass Repair Critical Damage, and Greater Shout. You will want to go fire/cold/force specced, as you will want your reconstructs (Main healing) and polar rays to hit hard.

Fifth problem: First level feat. You will never, EVER, have an AC that will begin to be helpful. Ignore it. take toughness instead.

Sixth problem: Stats. They're all messed up. You'll want to put your points into int and con. My wizard has a base will save of nine, and he almost never suffers from it.

Meta-magics that are useless for casters (In PvE, in PvP, this does not apply): Enlarge, heighten, quicken, eschew.

Don't put points into hide. That's what the invisibility spell is for

[Phidius]

Okay, first problem: don't put points into strength on a wizard. EVER.
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I don't think they put enough in, actually - 14 Str is great for a 28-point, and 16 for a 32.

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Second problem: You need to take toughness/mental toughness/improved mental toughness ASAP, as they get better as you level.
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Not a big fan of MT, but Toughness is good to take at level 3 for the first racial enhancement.

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Third problem: You only need to put .5 points into jump per level. Jump caps at 45, using the jump spell (+30 to jump) Greater heroism (+4 to all skills) and Rage (+2 to constitution=+1 to jump) you can get a 45 jump.
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Jump is capped at 40, so all that's needed is 40 - 30 - 4 - 2 = 4. If you start with 14 Str and cast Bulls Strength you need 0 ranks.

Repair can also be left at 0 ranks.

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Fourth problem: Power Word: Kill is useless, I've yet to find a good use for it. Same with Mass Repair Critical Damage, and Greater Shout. You will want to go fire/cold/force specced, as you will want your reconstructs (Main healing) and polar rays to hit hard.
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Agree with the usefulness of Power Word: Kill, but that's the beauty of being a wizard - just swap it out.

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Fifth problem: First level feat. You will never, EVER, have an AC that will begin to be helpful. Ignore it. take toughness instead.
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Don't agree with that - AC is quite useful in the low and mid levels. However, you don't need Mithral Body to get it.

The problem with AC is that it takes a great deal of work it takes to keep it relevant as you get higher in levels - and by the time you get to the "end game", the only mobs it protects you from aren't a threat anyway.

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Meta-magics that are useless for casters (In PvE, in PvP, this does not apply): Enlarge, heighten, quicken, eschew.
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Heighten is worthless on a caster? Sorry, no - if you have any interest in landing your spells, you want Heighten.

Quicken is the absolutely last feat I'd drop on a WF wizard. I'm guessing your wizard isn't a WF.

[Winter_storm]

Do have the ss ring. For the moment is stored away for now :-)

I can put Str as 12 with a +2 tome lvl 7 is 14 + 4 bull strength = 18 would that be ok? Only thing is where would I get the points from? if from Cha (means less umd), Wis (less will save), or Con (would be less HP).

The 12 spells chosen for lvl 8 and 9 was just from looking around. I have not reached that higher lvl to really know. What would be the other choices? Since lvl 8 and 9 are not able to be purchased in scrolls.

As in skills I put it in hide as a dump stat didn't know where else to put it in since all skills invested in have .5 in the score at lvl 20. I left UMD with .5 since the skill would have been .5 somewhere else.

If I don't take MT or IMT what would you put in its place for feats?

[nolaureltree000]

dont put any points into search, youll never find anything with only 10 points in it. plus you can get a spell/wand of detect secret doors so its fairly unnecessary.

[darko.87]

I don't think they put enough in, actually - 14 Str is great for a 28-point, and 16 for a 32.



Not a big fan of MT, but Toughness is good to take at level 3 for the first racial enhancement.



Jump is capped at 40, so all that's needed is 40 - 30 - 4 - 2 = 4. If you start with 14 Str and cast Bulls Strength you need 0 ranks.

Repair can also be left at 0 ranks.



Agree with the usefulness of Power Word: Kill, but that's the beauty of being a wizard - just swap it out.



Don't agree with that - AC is quite useful in the low and mid levels. However, you don't need Mithral Body to get it.

The problem with AC is that it takes a great deal of work it takes to keep it relevant as you get higher in levels - and by the time you get to the "end game", the only mobs it protects you from aren't a threat anyway.



Heighten is worthless on a caster? Sorry, no - if you have any interest in landing your spells, you want Heighten.

Quicken is the absolutely last feat I'd drop on a WF wizard. I'm guessing your wizard isn't a WF.

Okay, I'm talking about an end game wizard.

With semi high end loot (+6 items, tomes, etc)

You could start with maxed int and con, then put eat a +2 str tome, that's well enough to carry whatever you want, and it's not worth it to lose hit points.


By the time you're running shroud, there are few spells that heighten will help with. Maybe web and dancing ball. If I'm wrong, please let me know an instance in which a level 20 WF caster could use the metas I disliked. That goes with str as well. why would you want a str of 16 on a caster that's level 20? You'll regret not putting those points into con.

Then again... I guess it's all in play style...

And I get by perfectly fine in shroud, hound, ToD, VoD, and epics while only using extend, maximize and empower. If there's a wipe, I'm usually the last to go.

And about the spells, we're talking level nine spells. Yeah, I'd take it if you had a scroll, but don't waste a level up spell choice on it. You won't use it outside of PvP.

Then again... I guess it's all in play style...

[shadow_419]

The great thing about pure wizards is the dc's they can reach. Heighten is on all the time on any wizard running endgame and epics. Throw a heightened crushing despair on a group of mobs before mass hold and look at the difference in how long it takes them to break out. Quicken while not always on is great when you can't afford to fail a concentration check.

[Theolin]

Diaries of a True Reincarnate (Arcane) - the build is down a ways in post 7ish

Shadow Mage: A Build. A Philosophy.

hope they help.

[Phidius]

Okay, I'm talking about an end game wizard.

With semi high end loot (+6 items, tomes, etc)

You could start with maxed int and con, then put eat a +2 str tome, that's well enough to carry whatever you want, and it's not worth it to lose hit points.
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Yeah, it's all in your play style - I can't bring myself to play a toon who can't cast and melee at the same time

And spending 10 build points for an extra 40 hit points and +2 to Fort & Concentration doesn't go well with my play style.

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By the time you're running shroud, there are few spells that heighten will help with. Maybe web and dancing ball. If I'm wrong, please let me know an instance in which a level 20 WF caster could use the metas I disliked. That goes with str as well. why would you want a str of 16 on a caster that's level 20? You'll regret not putting those points into con.
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Any spell 8th level and lower that has a save benefits from Heighten. Web is the most powerful example, but Mind Fog, Finger of Death, Symbol of Stunning, and Flesh to Stone are others. Heck, web alone is a good enough reason to take Heighten.

As for Quicken, Reconstruct is the best example of where it's useful. Concentration is great, until you start getting hit for 60+ points of damage.

[Winter_storm]

The shadow mage I didn't understand the 14 dex until did some reading then understood, its for sneaking. I find that interesting. I created the build as above but willing to da a lesser reincarnate to fix anything needed. Dairies of a TR is good but mostly based on hitting lvl 20 and TR, will look through and read... Thanks for the info and help. Will keep on tweaking the build. I'm too new to really know my direction.