Looking for a CC/Healer type of template

[Zykoe]

Hi

I'm looking for a solid CC/Healer type build. Mainly focused on healing since I'm usually the only healer in the group. But I want to be able to CC monsters as well. I got access to 32pt build but am new to the game (lvl 11) first char so if you could provide me with a easy enough template to follow (basically step by step instructions) I'd be more than greatful!

Thanks alot

[Visty]

human
18 wis
14 con
16 cha

all levelups into wis
skills into umd and concentration

feats:
emp healing
heighten
spell penetration
greater spell penetration
quicken
extend
spell focus necro or enchantment, depends if you want more CC or more debuffs/instakills
greater spell focus necro or enchantment

[Zykoe]

Thanks

[Zykoe]

EDITED Vers 2.0

How does this look for a CC/Healer build?

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Zykoeth 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1652 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma             12                    12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 1                     1
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             1                     1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     1
Heal                  4                     8
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            1                     1
Jump                  2                     2
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    12.5

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[Visty]

why conjuration focus?

are there even conjuration spells for clerics?
better stick to necro, enchant or evocation though the last only gets useful at higher levels with bladebarrier and implosion

[Zykoe]

haha, sorry.

Was suppose to be enchantment..
But other than that, it looks OK for some CC as well?

[biggin]

A few small things I noticed.....

Don't forget your Radiant Servant Enhancements. Free healing means more CC.
I usually stick to Concentration and Balance, but it's a playstyle choice.

If I were selecting the same feats I would take them in this order....
1 Toughness/Extend- Extend isn't really needed until 3-6, but I hate recasting buffs. Extra HP are always nice
3 Mental Toughness- Extra SP are always nice
6 Empower Healing
9 Maximize
12 Spell Focus: Enchantment
15 Quicken
18 SF: Greater

I would also consider swapping out Mental toughness or a SF for Heighten. Again, nothing wrong with what you did, just the way I play I like to have those extra SP and HP earlier when they matter more. At end game you should be a little better at SP conservation, so I would take Heighten instead of MT if you want to stay that route.

[biggin]

Also, just out of curiosiy, why did you go Enchantment Focus? The major spells of that school are Symbols, and they are a real PIA to use in a group because they take forever to cast and you have to drag mobs into them. Personally I would go Evocation (for your Blade Barriers) or Necro (Destruction, Energy Drain, etc.). Again, just a playstyle choice.

[ClericDude]

why conjuration focus?

are there even conjuration spells for clerics?
better stick to necro, enchant or evocation though the last only gets useful at higher levels with bladebarrier and implosion

Arguably our most important spells are conjurations. Fortunately, the obstinate barbarians have bad will saves, so they still get our heals.

Ok, you win, saves aren't a big deal for those (although they're nice for killing undead).

On a more serious note, Cometfall is conjuration. You're still right about those others being better choices, but it is decent damage and nice cc.

[Zykoe]

Thanks alot for the imputs

I'll go Evocation

[Lanthum]

Personally I wouldn't put my Str at 14. Well I should say: Personally I wouldn't do it again. I did it as well originally on my Cleric thinking that I could assist in combat as needed. And that seemed to work up until about level 10 or 11. But by level 13 I found that in PUGs and even guild runs I was needed more as the dedicated healer, and those extra points in Str were wasted.

I found that in level 10+ I helped out more in combat by staying out of the melee and focusing on offensive casting when I wasn't healing. Greater Command, Cometfall, and Blade Barriers all helped out the group better. And none of them need a high Strength. Plus once the spells were effective, I went back to healing as needed. And those few times when I enter the melee - I didn't really need the extra Str.

I hope that helps

[FlyingTurtle]

Personally I wouldn't put my Str at 14. Well I should say: Personally I wouldn't do it again. I did it as well originally on my Cleric thinking that I could assist in combat as needed. And that seemed to work up until about level 10 or 11. But by level 13 I found that in PUGs and even guild runs I was needed more as the dedicated healer, and those extra points in Str were wasted.

I found that in level 10+ I helped out more in combat by staying out of the melee and focusing on offensive casting when I wasn't healing. Greater Command, Cometfall, and Blade Barriers all helped out the group better. And none of them need a high Strength. Plus once the spells were effective, I went back to healing as needed. And those few times when I enter the melee - I didn't really need the extra Str.

I hope that helps

I've read that it changes by endgame.
Sirgog's comment:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=20

[smokeyser]

I've read that it changes by endgame.
Sirgog's comment:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=20

The problem with str is that you need melee feats to go with it or your melee abilities will be lacking. Sure, BB may become useless on certain endgame bosses. But that doesn't mean that a casting-focused cleric with 14 str is going to do better. Just that BB sucks sometimes. If I were to start over on my cleric I'd probably keep str very low and put any extra points into con. Even cha can be kept pretty low since +6 items are cheap and easy to obtain (at least on the server I'm on). It takes me forever to kill stuff in melee on my healing-focused cleric, and putting on a +6 str item seems to make very little difference. Certainly not enough to make me wish I had wasted more points on str.

[FlyingTurtle]

The problem with str is that you need melee feats to go with it or your melee abilities will be lacking. Sure, BB may become useless on certain endgame bosses. But that doesn't mean that a casting-focused cleric with 14 str is going to do better. Just that BB sucks sometimes. If I were to start over on my cleric I'd probably keep str very low and put any extra points into con. Even cha can be kept pretty low since +6 items are cheap and easy to obtain (at least on the server I'm on). It takes me forever to kill stuff in melee on my healing-focused cleric, and putting on a +6 str item seems to make very little difference. Certainly not enough to make me wish I had wasted more points on str.

Good point. If a cleric is planning to do any melee at all in late game, it benefits greatly from a fighter splash. If Cleric 20 is a fixed requirement then Str is almost a dumpstat since melee has already left the building. Whether or not giving up on melee forever is a wise choice... that's up to playstyle.

[orochinaga]

The problem with str is that you need melee feats to go with it or your melee abilities will be lacking. Sure, BB may become useless on certain endgame bosses. But that doesn't mean that a casting-focused cleric with 14 str is going to do better. Just that BB sucks sometimes. If I were to start over on my cleric I'd probably keep str very low and put any extra points into con. Even cha can be kept pretty low since +6 items are cheap and easy to obtain (at least on the server I'm on). It takes me forever to kill stuff in melee on my healing-focused cleric, and putting on a +6 str item seems to make very little difference. Certainly not enough to make me wish I had wasted more points on str.

All you need is power attack and a good two handed weapon... Divine favor, divine might, divine power and recitation are great buffs, you will be effective even without THF feats.

[smokeyser]

All you need is power attack and a good two handed weapon...

And proficiency with that weapon. Turning on power attack for -5 to hit when you're already at -4 from not being proficient brings you down to -9. With a penalty that bad you might be better off just casting a spell, especially if doing elite mode quests. Of course I'm only lvl 15 so maybe it gets better later.

[FlyingTurtle]

All you need is power attack and a good two handed weapon...

Which one can get for a minimal cost (-1 caster level, -100SP) by splashing fighter. Without affecting any other caster feats. So if we're going down that road it's quite obvious that it's optimal to splash fighter. However I think the OP is minmaxing for CC/instakill. So that's not an option.

[orochinaga]

Ok... but let's assume the OP wants good CC and melee effectiveness... I wonder if a 2 lvl paladin splash would be a better option... You'll earn :
_martial weapon proficiency
_charisma bonus to saves (assuming you boost CHA for DM 3)
_Less SP loss
_don't hurt your spell penetration ???? Do 2 lvl pally + 18 cleric stack to determine caster lvl ?

With those starting abilities :
STR 14
CON 14
WIS 16
CHA 16 (+2 Tome for DM 3)
+ all lvl points into WIS

feats:
emp healing
heighten
spell penetration
greater spell penetration or spell focus XXX
quicken
extend
power attack
toughness

Will it be viable ? O_o