Advices on a planned pure Sorc

[Tid12]

Okay so..ive tried to plan a pure sorc with this program (i just found it out) and i have a few questions.

As you can see, the skill UMD is 20.5 (thats the max i could get). So i was wondering how can i get it to 35+ ? I mean, with the equip and stuffs my cha can give like +6, +7 (dunno exactly the max CHA i can get) so that makes it 27.5..still kinda far from the 35-36 ive seen from some players. How is that possible? I know there are items giving +3 UMD but is it worth wasting a slot item for that? And why it lets me put just 0.5 in UMD per lvl? am i doing something wrong?

About Concentration..i have like 28 there, plus lets say +13 or so from an item so it will be 41..is that good enough to pass every Concentration check? And at the end-game will i have some item giving me +10 Conc or there wont be any room for it?

Besides that..what do you thinks about this?

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 2141 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 5
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    29

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                     7
Bluff                 5                     9
Concentration         4                    28
Diplomacy             5                     9
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                    10
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            5                     9
Jump                 -1                     4
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                 -1                    -1
Tumble               n/a                    0
Use Magic Device      7                    20.5

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Magic Missle


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (1): Protection From Evil


Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Scorching Ray


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Knock


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (3): Displacement


Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Dimension Door


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (2): Web
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (4): Enervation


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Lightning Bolt
Spell (4): Fire Shield
Spell (5): Cloudkill


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (6): Disintegrate


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone


Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Delayed Blast Fireball


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Spell (7): Finger of Death


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Polar Ray


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Waves of Exhaustion
Spell (8): Trap the Soul


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Spell (9): Energy Drain


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Spell (8): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Heightening I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Concentration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Mastery I

[Samadhi]

<quick post; didn't check out everything in depth>

UMD: Another +6 is possible from shroud items; +4 from GH brings your UMD to 37.5. Head of good fortune from Reaver puts you to 39.5; which means no-fail heals scrolls, the end goal of your UMD. So yes, its gear that you will get eventually, and it will pay off when you do get it.

Concentration: I never have room to wear an item, but you will learn quick to avoid getting hit by moving constantly, or else you will be dead a lot. Keep the skill points; but rely more on keyboard skills than concentration to make sure your spells go off.

Force of Personality: Currently, will saves are rarely an issue that late in the game. This is an easy feat to drop. My advice, level to 17, and see which spells you are using the most (enchantment, evocation, conjuration, etc) and take a spell focus in 18 in the spells you are finding the most useful. Conversely, skill focus: UMD is another good choice while you are working to acquire some of the gear listed.

[vorpel]

Here's a quick breakdown on UMD for a human lvl 20 Sorc:

11.5 ranks from level ups (this is the max for Sorcs as UMD is not a class skill and can only be advanced .5 points per level)
14 from Charisma 38 (18 base, 5 level up, 1 Human Adapt, 3 Enhancement, 2 tome, 6 item, 3 excep Cha from Shroud weapon)
4 Greater Heroism
2 Head of Good Fortune (good luck +2)
6 Shroud spell point item with +6 to Charisma skills)
3 Item - Golden Cartouche or purchase Bunny Hat from DDO store. The Bunny Hat will add +5 to Jump and adds +3 to UMD

40.5 UMD

I hope this helps.

[Tid12]

Thanks to you both..i didnt know about the shroud items givin a +6 to CHA skills thats why i couldnt figure out how to reach the so wanted 40. Hell yeah im such a noob about shroud! and not only that! lol

About the last feat..i was thinking that since im more a nuker than anything else, maybe i should take the Spell Focus: Evocation..seems a nice idea, no?

And a question about the spell list. As lvl 6 spells, there are Disintegrate and Flesh to Stone but im not sure about the last one..i was thinking that since i havent an acid spell in my spell i could take Acid Fog..but i dont use it really much..so what about GH? I know i can scroll it but i dont see any other usefull spell at lvl 6 or am i wrong? I mean Reconstruct no coz i never play with WF (and lets say it, i suck at healing), Chain Lightining seems a nice idea but i guess Ball Ligh is good anyway.

[TheDearLeader]

At end game, Reconstruct is important - many raid parties will expect you to, in a pinch, be a WF Healer, and to be able to alternate between the spell, and the scroll, version of aforementioned Reconstruct.

Greater Heroism off of a scroll is *okay*, but its costly, slow to cast (like a wizard, ugh), and lasts less time. As their becomes less use for Flesh to Stone, you may consider making Disintegrate/Greater Heroism/Reconstruct your 6th level spells. 6th level is a tough spell level to really say "that's perfect" for, however.

Cloudkill > Acid Fog, and is a lower level spell/costs less spell points. Go with it.

[fuzzy1guy]

If yer gonna be UMD... you'll want GH in your list. Not a scroll. Or you'll be wasting alot of scrolls/cash.

disintigrate is a must. just for its use on everything.


flesh 2 stone really comes in handy in only two places... sleeping dust and gianthold tor. Anywhere else and a hold or dance will work just fine. Or just kill them. very easy to swap it in for 3 days when you're doing either of those.


And for those groups who expect you to be a reconstruct healbot sorc.. Yeah... tell em u got some scrolls... otherwise forget it. Let someone else do healbot duty. You don't roll a sorc to babysit a toaster.


Spell focus should come down to a choice between enchantment for cc and holds. Or necromancy for killing. Your best evocation spells are not dc based.

[defen]

You may want to reprioritize spells so you can actually kill stuff before lv13. Firewall at 8, Fireball or the acid analog at 6 is a good start.

[Tid12]

At end game, Reconstruct is important - many raid parties will expect you to, in a pinch, be a WF Healer, and to be able to alternate between the spell, and the scroll, version of aforementioned Reconstruct.

Greater Heroism off of a scroll is *okay*, but its costly, slow to cast (like a wizard, ugh), and lasts less time. As their becomes less use for Flesh to Stone, you may consider making Disintegrate/Greater Heroism/Reconstruct your 6th level spells. 6th level is a tough spell level to really say "that's perfect" for, however.

Cloudkill > Acid Fog, and is a lower level spell/costs less spell points. Go with it.

Is that so important to have it memorized? Arent the scroll enough? Im not really an expert on raids so i really dunno if maybe in some raids im useless or whatever..I know they have a long cooldown but will i really need to keep them healed all the time alternating scrolls and spell? i dont really like that idea actually..

Ok so ill swap Acid Fog for GH (always wanted to do that), seems great, great buff

About the Spell focus..I guess Necromancy will be just okay since i dont use really much CC and Holds Spell (or at least i dont till now)

@defen: I didnt care really much in the order of choosing spells, i was just planning out a good sorc for me..of course i wont take FW at 13..that would be crazy even for me! ^^

[Trillea]

Is that so important to have it memorized? Arent the scroll enough? Im not really an expert on raids so i really dunno if maybe in some raids im useless or whatever..I know they have a long cooldown but will i really need to keep them healed all the time alternating scrolls and spell? i dont really like that idea actually..

Ok so ill swap Acid Fog for GH (always wanted to do that), seems great, great buff

About the Spell focus..I guess Necromancy will be just okay since i dont use really much CC and Holds Spell (or at least i dont till now)

@defen: I didnt care really much in the order of choosing spells, i was just planning out a good sorc for me..of course i wont take FW at 13..that would be crazy even for me! ^^

As for the focus Necro on a sorc is OK for leveling, but once you hit 20 and start doing epics, you will want to swap that out as Finger of Death and Wail of the Banshee are useless in every epic quest. You will most likely want focus in Enchantment for hold or possible Conjuration for web (my favorite, but does not cause autocrit like hold does)

[fuzzy1guy]

GH is just way too useful for scrolling it off. Altho you can.. Self only. If you MUST have the slot. But buffing 6 or 12 ppl off scroll is just slow and wasteful.

Standard min sorc buffs are usually jump/gh/blur.
Almost everyone will appreciate all 3 all the time. And usually you'll be the only one that has them.

Necro is prolly the most useful on the way upto 20. And good for normal daily farming/raiding.

But enchantment is useful all over including epic.

BUT... since the epic mob save nerf. you really don't need to be specialized for it now.

And depending on cha/exceptional cha setup. you can pickup a dreamspitter for a +2 to enchantment dc boost. and its handy for stripping levels off things in epic. Without proficiency even.

[Tid12]

GH is just way too useful for scrolling it off. Altho you can.. Self only. If you MUST have the slot. But buffing 6 or 12 ppl off scroll is just slow and wasteful.

Standard min sorc buffs are usually jump/gh/blur.
Almost everyone will appreciate all 3 all the time. And usually you'll be the only one that has them.

Necro is prolly the most useful on the way upto 20. And good for normal daily farming/raiding.

But enchantment is useful all over including epic.

BUT... since the epic mob save nerf. you really don't need to be specialized for it now.

And depending on cha/exceptional cha setup. you can pickup a dreamspitter for a +2 to enchantment dc boost. and its handy for stripping levels off things in epic. Without proficiency even.

I guess ill just get Skill focus: necro till i level up to 20 then ill prolly go for the enchantment since u guys and everyone else says that necro spells doesnt work really good on epic..
I havent any exception cha for now, im still lvl 16 and i have never run the shroud or something raid but VoN..so not into that yet.

I have a question about Gr Reinc..If im a lvl 20 Pure Sorc and i GR, ill stay 20 Pure Sorc (ill have to reselect all spells and feat i guess?) but when ill select stats ability i will have the 32 points build am i right? In this way i can stay 20 for epics and can fix some messed thing on my sorc right?