No proficiency? No problem!

[DToNE]

Recently, I've been getting asked why I'm using a repeater and why I wasted a feat on it. I'll just clearly and flat out state, I did not, have not, and will not ever get a the proficiency feat for the repeater.

Anyways, to the topic at hand. Why are the clerics still wearing maces, scepters, and clubs to fight? With the proper self buffing, Cleric is probably one of the most accurate classes in the game. Why some clerics aren't taking advantage of this is beyond me. Sure, you don't have a proficiency with a weapon, so that's a -4 to attack... big whoop.

Divine Power, Aid, Divine Favor, Greater Heroism Clicky, fairly high STR/DEX, and a +5 weapon. This combination totals for a ton of accuracy and getting a -4 to attack is just a drop in the the bucket.

I mean, even rogues without accuracy buffs can hit just fine with their proficient weapon. So why would an accurate class like Cleric be afraid of that -4 to hit penalty?



If you find a weapon you like but aren't really proficient at it, keep it and use it anyways! Chances are, you'll still be able to hit almost 100% of the time with it with the proper self buffs.

[rest]

ZOMG no wonder you lead kill counts!!

[Arnya]

Why would I cast destruction, slay living, implosion or any of those stupid spells when I can fire one arrow at a time from a repeating crossbow!!

Awesome!!!

.....

[richieelias27]

I once was in a group with a cleric with a penchant for using a greatxbow. It went something like this:

"yeah we have a healer, we can do elite no problem"
*plink* rrrreeeeeeellllllooooooooaaaaaaaaad *plink* rrrreeeeeeellllllooooooooaaaaaaaaad *groupwipe*

such a waste of space.

[cdemeritt]

Recently, I've been getting asked why I'm using a repeater and why I wasted a feat on it. I'll just clearly and flat out state, I did not, have not, and will not ever get a the proficiency feat for the repeater.

Anyways, to the topic at hand. Why are the clerics still wearing maces, scepters, and clubs to fight? With the proper self buffing, Cleric is probably one of the most accurate classes in the game. Why some clerics aren't taking advantage of this is beyond me. Sure, you don't have a proficiency with a weapon, so that's a -4 to attack... big whoop.

Divine Power, Aid, Divine Favor, Greater Heroism Clicky, fairly high STR/DEX, and a +5 weapon. This combination totals for a ton of accuracy and getting a -4 to attack is just a drop in the the bucket.

I mean, even rogues without accuracy buffs can hit just fine with their proficient weapon. So why would an accurate class like Cleric be afraid of that -4 to hit penalty?



If you find a weapon you like but aren't really proficient at it, keep it and use it anyways! Chances are, you'll still be able to hit almost 100% of the time with it with the proper self buffs.

I would guess most likely they are using the clubs of "X" (healing lore, spell penn, power, etc, etc) for spell casting, and not for melee... they just will bash a mob with it if they get too close... I haven't found too many weapons, some, but not a lot, other than clubs, scepters, etc with good spell casting attributes.

While I like playing Battle Clerics, it isn't for everyone, and I don't recommend them to new to cleric players... learn to heal first before charging into battle...

[Lorz]

Why would I cast destruction, slay living, implosion or any of those stupid spells when I can fire one arrow at a time from a repeating crossbow!!

Awesome!!!

.....

Well its what low HP and low SP cleric wannabe's do evidently.

/facepalm at the OP not Arnya! And yes i do this same thing with dual bastard swords my sorc wields with his 18 str and no feats....looks great...hits nothing.

[donfilibuster]

Why would I cast destruction, slay living, implosion or any of those stupid spells when I can fire one arrow at a time from a repeating crossbow!!

Awesome!!!

.....

Would be awesome indeed if you can fire an arrow from a crossbow

Anyways, while shrugging on the penalty may be fine most of the time, for repeater crossbows you do need some feats for rapid firing i believe.
Else you do shoot a single lonely bolt instead of the expected pew pew pew pew.

As for putting a crossbow to real use, well, there's places and places.
I have seen fighters with the proper feats do great with the repeater on places like STK and other low lv quests.
It is naturally, the antithesis of zerging, if you hate rangers with bows you'll hate fighters with repeaters even more.
That is, until you get destruction, then the cleric would feel dirty holding a weapon of any kind :P

[Kalari]

dude can we just get off the click of giving people cleric advice? You found something that works for you. You then criticize stunners which anyone who runs high end quests including epics can tell you are great for strategy. Now your telling people to rock weapons they are not proficient in because of the spells they can utilize to mitigate.

How about just letting people play their clerics the way they wish? or at least making a thread that dont sound like your such an Expert...

Seriously I left the other thread alone when I realized you really think that anyone who dont lead in kill counts is being carried. But your mentality on divine classes is disturbing and the way you keep wording things to make it sound like clerics can only be awesome if they play your way is frankly annoying.

[Kalari]

Why would I cast destruction, slay living, implosion or any of those stupid spells when I can fire one arrow at a time from a repeating crossbow!!

Awesome!!!

.....

Hey where the heck have you been? I havent seen ya on Sarlona or posting in a long while.. *hugs*

[Arnya]

Hey where the heck have you been? I havent seen ya on Sarlona or posting in a long while.. *hugs*

Hey hun, been a real busy year - I miss the drunken shrouds on Friday nights

I just read the OPs other thread and I lol'd

[Kalari]

Hey hun, been a real busy year - I miss the drunken shrouds on Friday nights

I just read the OPs other thread and I lol'd

Hehe we are still running them to Miss ya to glad to see you even if it's in these "Expert" threads

Seriously I wouldnt even be so snippy but the op keeps making these posts coming across as someone who can tell people how to play a Cleric. I know what works for my clerics, I know that what works for me wont always work for others. If im in a group and someone goes "wow your cleric used a paralysing sword why? I will explain to them. Or how did you implode those mobs?

Its one thing to give out advice or say "you know this is what works for me." but the whole tone I get from this is you think that anyone not rocking a repeater is doing the class a disservice. Who are you to tell a cleric not to carry a mace or club? Just learn how to word things and you can avoid putting yourself out there as a target.

[Arnya]

Would be awesome indeed if you can fire an arrow from a crossbow

Grrr.

[soupertc]

I use a Epic Unkors Cleaver on my Cleric. I made it +7 so even with the -4 I get it still beat out the Vorpal I was using. Plus Limbchopper is a nice little debuff on Epic....and it's just funny to me to even use a Battleaxe.

[AylinIsAwesome]

Recently, I've been getting asked why I'm using a repeater and why I wasted a feat on it. I'll just clearly and flat out state, I did not, have not, and will not ever get a the proficiency feat for the repeater.

Anyways, to the topic at hand. Why are the clerics still wearing maces, scepters, and clubs to fight? With the proper self buffing, Cleric is probably one of the most accurate classes in the game. Why some clerics aren't taking advantage of this is beyond me. Sure, you don't have a proficiency with a weapon, so that's a -4 to attack... big whoop.

Divine Power, Aid, Divine Favor, Greater Heroism Clicky, fairly high STR/DEX, and a +5 weapon. This combination totals for a ton of accuracy and getting a -4 to attack is just a drop in the the bucket.

I mean, even rogues without accuracy buffs can hit just fine with their proficient weapon. So why would an accurate class like Cleric be afraid of that -4 to hit penalty?



If you find a weapon you like but aren't really proficient at it, keep it and use it anyways! Chances are, you'll still be able to hit almost 100% of the time with it with the proper self buffs.

So...the whole point of this post was to point out that you didn't gimp yourself by using a repeater?

Except you did, by virtue of not using a real weapon or a set of casting scepters.

[mws2970]

So...the whole point of this post was to point out that you didn't gimp yourself by using a repeater?

Except you did, by virtue of not using a real weapon or a set of casting scepters.

He's not a gimp.....just check out his other thread http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=270748 :P

[DToNE]

Would be awesome indeed if you can fire an arrow from a crossbow

Anyways, while shrugging on the penalty may be fine most of the time, for repeater crossbows you do need some feats for rapid firing i believe.
Else you do shoot a single lonely bolt instead of the expected pew pew pew pew

Ignoring the trolls and thread derailers. The repeater is actually a remnant of a character I deleted. Sure, it doesn't "pew pew pew", but at this point anything is better than a shuriken.

[khaldan]

Great xbow would be more damage than a repeater without the feat.

And great xbow's suck.

[Lorz]

He's not a gimp.....just check out his other thread http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=270748 :P

Your right.....Lame is much more accurate.

[Arnya]

Your right.....Lame is much more accurate.

With 50-70 point BBs, you'd use a repeater too

[ddobard1]

I wanna thank the OP (What is OP?) for giving us another idea to add to a Character!
I sense to be viable to use a weapon with no proficiency, depends on the builds. Let's applaud new ideas even if they are a little useless, may be a few are nice.
We are looking for a personal fun Character too.
On this subject i prefer use a weapon with proficiency, but it's me may be a bit dogmatic.