Rogue/Ranger 32 point build setup first run

[Fearlessleader62]

I am getting ready to Do a rogue ranger multi with a 32 point build.

I would like to keep it just a split class and use the feats that cross both

My main idea is to get good search spot trap disarm Hide sneak and 2 handed tempest style ranger with tumble and Throwing knifes for range weapon And something like 2 short swords for for fighting

I am not sure where I should put my stat points so this comes together

I also have veteran build so I want to use that as well so I need a plan for my first 4 levels. Some have told me the first 4 levels of rogue are the most important

Thanks any help with this would be great so I don't mess it up

[Fearlessleader62]

Well so far no one has any idea how I can do this. Hmm I really just need to find the a good place for my stat points. I was planing to go rog 8 / Tempest ranger 12 from what I have read I should build my rog first I hope that is right. I do hope that is right.

Please I could really use some help
TIA

[JDCrowell]

I've been interested in rolling a character like yours as an alt and have been playing with the builder for a while. IMO there are 2 ways to go with this and several key factors to take into account.
First thing is, yes, level 1 must be a Rogue to start all your key stats. With your stat points it all depends on what race you want. I prefer Human, but if you are wanting to dual wield shortswords or rapiers I would go with either Elf or Halfling (I prefer Halfling) I'd prefer a Human for my build and to use larger weapons for TWF but that's just me and with Human you have a couple of choices for stats.

For Halfling i would go:

STR 12
DEX 16
CON 14
INT 16
WIS 10
CHA 10

You could also drop Int by 2 and increase STR by 2 if you wish but that is preference but if you go this route you are definitely going to want to go with Weapon Finesse early on.
If you want a Tempest look to your build, you really should take your Ranger levels to 12 to get Tempest 2 since Update 5 made Tempest 1 kinda squishy. Since you have Veteran Status I'll show you an Idea for a plan for your first 4 levels as I would do them.

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Level 4 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(2 Rogue \ 2 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 72
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 3\3
Fortitude: 6
Reflex: 10
Will: 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 4)
Strength             12                    12
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    16
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 4)
Balance               7                     8
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        7                    11
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  7                    12
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  5                     8
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently         7                    13
Open Lock             7                    11
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    10
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                7                     8
Use Magic Device      4                     7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)

I suggest a 2/2 split in the first 4 levels because you get Evasion at Rogue 2 and you get TWF for free at Ranger level 2. Or you could even go Rogue 1 and Ranger 2-14 then Rogue 15-20. The high INT helps keep your Rogue sills allocated during your Ranger levels. There is really a lot of versatility in this build and Rogue/Ranger mix very well.
This is seriously only a suggestion as over time i might take different feats to start with. You need Dodge, Mobility, and Spring attack for Tempest and you also now get Trapmaking at Rogue level 4 for free now. So there are some decisions to be made you just need to know what you want and when you want to have it by. Know that and you'll know what feats to take and when.

[unbongwah]

This isn't what you asked for, but you got me to thinking. You mentioned using throwing weapons, but ranger is a bit of a waste for throwers since Bow STR & Manyshot don't apply; and short swords aren't the best DPS choice either. OTOH, Ninja Spies can use short swords and monks get bonuses to using shuriken. Halflings get flanking and throwing weapon bonuses. Hmmm...

So I came up with a halfling rogue 13 / monk 7 Ninja. First version also goes for Assassin II, second version doesn't take any rogue PrE; only difference is in the enhancements.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Female
(7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 20
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            17                    22
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               14                    14
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    18
Bluff                -1                     5
Concentration         2                    15
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  2                     2
Hide                  7                    39
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  5                    18
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         7                    37
Open Lock             7                    29
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    25
Spot                  6                    25
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                7                    12
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+6)
Skill: Search (+2)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Use Magic Device (+10)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Void Strike I
Enhancement: Void Strike II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Female
(7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 22
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            17                    26
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               14                    14
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    20
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                    15
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  2                     2
Hide                  7                    35
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  5                    18
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         7                    33
Open Lock             7                    31
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    25
Spot                  6                    25
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                7                    14
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+6)
Skill: Search (+2)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Use Magic Device (+10)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Void Strike I
Enhancement: Void Strike II
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

Max ranks in Disable, Hide, MS, OL, Search, Spot, UMD; 13 ranks in Concentration; 12 ranks in Balance & Jump. Monk 7 provides 3 extra feats, tier 2 stances, Ninja Spy (centered w/short swords & Shadow Fade being the big pluses), Wholeness of Body. Rogue 13 provides the skills, sneak attacks, 2 bonus feats, and a 2nd tier PrE of your choice if you can afford the enh pts. Basically you are one sneaky backstabbing mofo trapmonkey who also has pretty good AC and can rapid-fire shuriken. At low levels you use handwraps or kamas until you get Ninja Spy at lvl 8, where you switch to short swords.

Anyway, might not be what you're looking for, but it was fun coming up with it.

[Fearlessleader62]

Hi Thanks for your reply

I was did already make my Rog But I forgot to write down all my stats and I just seen your reply now. I so far just made the rog and have not done my first run yet so I still have my next 3 level up to do because of my vet status.

Ok I logged into the new toon now

Rog /Ranger tempest
Elven
Main weapon to be short sword or dagger and range to be shuriken.

My base stats

Str 16
Dex 16
Con 12
intel 13
wis 13
Chr 8

Main abilities Total Mod/rank/modifier/ misc mod

Balance 5, 2, +3
Disable Device 7,4,+1
Hide 7, 4, +3
jump 6,3, +3
listen 5,2,+1,+2
open lock 9,4,+3,+2
spot 7,4,+1,+2
swim 4,1,+3
tumble 6,3+3

I took Nimble Fingers for the first feat

I want this to end up Rog 8 Ranger 12 to get tempest 2

Now I was going to level up to 4th I thought to get it started take 3 levels of rog and 1 ranger Some have told me level up to 4th in rog first then add 1st level of ranger but I really would like to get this shaped before first run

Thanks for your help

Any help as far as what feats and abilitys I should use when i level up in the next 4 levels would be great

[Fearlessleader62]

At what level will I be able to get my tempest 1 skills and should I add 2 weapon with my rog skills or ranger

I was wanting to know if it is ok to add my first level of ranger at 4th or should I wait till 5th before adding ranger?