Raid Loot n Resources

[xman26]

funny thing is Legion hasn't a problem filling raids either....

Put up a SL Abbot and a Legion Abbot at the same time:

Any takers on who will fill and finish faster?



To be honest, I think you are shafting your guildmates big time if I get that ring before your guildmate does. How did you so eloquently put it? Thank heavens you aren't in my guild, because people that help the stranger down the street before the friend who is always there for them is ****.

It is NOT guild only... it is guild first; as I expect whenever I am the pugger.

We in the SL dont concider it shafting our fellow guildies to give ALL who ran the RAID an equal shot at loot that someone didn't want, couldn't use or already had. I'd lay good money down on SL before Sleezgions. And however you MAY WANT to see it, when 3 toons in a raid from the same guild have absolutely no use for an item from said raid but yet it ONLY goes to a guildie, it is GUILD ONLY, not GUILD FIRST! Because we all know that one of the three fighters are truely going to have use for that necklace or ring or arcane magic bonus or improved fire magic bonus, rollseyes.

[Braegan]

I always appreciate Xman26 posts. They are full of a wealth of knowledge and he always keeps it classy. Next time don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

[Delt]

We in the SL dont concider it shafting our fellow guildies to give ALL who ran the RAID an equal shot at loot that someone didn't want, couldn't use or already had. I'd lay good money down on SL before Sleezgions. And however you MAY WANT to see it, when 3 toons in a raid from the same guild have absolutely no use for an item from said raid but yet it ONLY goes to a guildie, it is GUILD ONLY, not GUILD FIRST! Because we all know that one of the three fighters are truely going to have use for that necklace or ring or arcane magic bonus or improved fire magic bonus, rollseyes.

I still can't tell exactly what you are saying.

And unless there is a new guild policy (like really new...3 days old new), SL doesn't have any standing policy on loot besides "your loot is your loot". Members pass each other items all the time (which is as it should be)...

[Nezichiend]

Hey xman were you in a darpa lead epic dq2 when a certain +4 tome dropped...? Just making sure I know who you are here.

[Seelowe]

so, what is with all the ppl talking about the 1/6th chance at raid loot.
did you all stop playing a couple of mods ago but still roam the forums or do you just talk about that point in time?

*grabs more popcorn*

[xman26]

I still can't tell exactly what you are saying.

And unless there is a new guild policy (like really new...3 days old new), SL doesn't have any standing policy on loot besides "your loot is your loot". Members pass each other items all the time (which is as it should be)...

ok, SL run abbott, 8 guildies, one eek eek eek, one brotherhood of whatever and two claws run it and complete. SL member gets an item they already have but 2 other guildies and the 4 non member all roll on it. All 4 non members roll higher than the fellow guildies. In all the RAIDs I've run in SL I have NEVER seen the guild member go sorry, guild member only or guild first, it has always gone to the person with the highest roll.

[xman26]

Hey xman were you in a darpa lead epic dq2 when a certain +4 tome dropped...? Just making sure I know who you are here.

Nope, last time I ran with anyone in Darpa was right after Alter formed it and before EPICs were available.

[Vhlad]

Why do so many people have this sense of entitlement that makes them think they deserve something that belongs to someone else?

Well, 47% pay no federal income tax. source

Expecting "free stuff" is part of the united socialist states of america culture.

[protokon]

I figured the weekend would be a great time to post this topic since it'll be a while before it's locked. Post with rage and don't hold back!


Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources to a guild's raid if they're not allowed to roll on raid loot?


I'd say most definitely not. This issue is cropping up fairly often with all the newer, less experienced guilds trying to run epics, abbot, and tod. I feel if you needed my toon and resources, you obviously could not have done it otherwise. If you want to fill a piker spot out of the kindness of your heart, then just let the pugger pike.

This is kind of a decision that has to be made without regards to the raid loot (too many factors that determine IF you'll even have a chance at anything.)

If your a healer in a run and chugging one or two pots will allow you to complete the raid, by all means, chug the darn thing instead of wasting your 30-45 minutes getting to the end. It all depends is your time worth more than those consumables?

raid loot aside, how much effort and resources your willing to put in is entirely up to you. However, don't expect to be welcome in high-end guild runs if your not willing to put out when your needed. Many high-end guilds will pay for consumables when necessary if you are apart of there raid.

the question you should be asking yourself is, if your worried about losing resources in a <newby> guild's run, then why are you joining that run to begin with?

[Clay]

I'd lay good money down on SL before Sleezgions.

Oh yeah? Care to put your pp where your mouth is? oh, and better confirm with Raidin on that one. I think Barbaric has a screenshot....

And however you MAY WANT to see it, when 3 toons in a raid from the same guild have absolutely no use for an item from said raid but yet it ONLY goes to a guildie, it is GUILD ONLY, not GUILD FIRST!

Just because you believe it to be so... doesn't make it so.

Oh, and nice try to cover your ass... doesn't want, can't use and already have loot in Legion raids is always up for pug roll. That is NOT what you were saying earlier. You are saying that if Xorm wants the chattering ring very much on his monk, and it drops in your name, and you give me, the pugger (that held Xorm's hand in the green puzzle) a roll, and I roll higher, and you pass it to me over simply passing it to Xorm... you are in deed shafting your guild mate. And shame on you.

[Pyromaniac]

I think I understand the SL policy: There isn't one right now beyond 'your loot is your loot'. I think I'll believe Delt on this one.

Delt will pass loot to his guildees that need it before non-guildees/non-friends. xman26 won't.

So Delt will pass something to Xman26 if he needs it, but xman26 won't take care of Delt. Glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Further it seems that xman26 won't contribute resources to a raid if he can't roll on other players loot that he feels he can use more than they can. Again, glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Any guesses as to who's going to contribute to the SL guild airship between Delt and xman26?

[Waukeen]

In unrelated news:

Two Kings is looking forward to working on our air canoe; comfortably seats two Puggers that don't care who does what with THEIR loot.

[Pyromaniac]

In unrelated news:

Two Kings is looking forward to working on our air canoe; comfortably seats two Puggers that don't care who does what with THEIR loot.

Will the two puggers pay towards their air taxi? Or stiff the driver?

[BurningDownTheHouse]

I'm not saying people can't do what they want with the loot they have, but GUILDS who have a standing POLICY of ALL RAID LOOT IS FOR GUILDIES ONLY is just pure BS! It should not be allowed and those GUILDS should have the hardest time filling Pugs. Funny thing is StormLords never have a problem filling pugs because WE DO NOT DO **** LIKE THAT!

Maybe you guys should start doing **** like that.
It might help you find some inner peace and stop all that b!tching about people that are supposed to give you their loot.
I know it always calms me when I get some...

[BurningDownTheHouse]

In unrelated news:

Two Kings is looking forward to working on our air canoe; comfortably seats two Puggers that don't care who does what with THEIR loot.

Nice image man, where did you dig this one up?

[Delt]

Any guesses as to who's going to contribute to the SL guild airship between Delt and xman26?

Trick question...

I've been out of SL a few days, pretty sure my comments are still accurate. I just don't think xman is representing his guild mates or guild "policy" correctly.

[gwlech]

What is an issue in my eyes, is when I join a pug raid mostly inhabited by ****** guild. No mention of loot rolling is made, but the said guild distributes the loot amongst themselves...(assuming loot rolls done in guild chat, or pre-determined). While it wouldn't matter to me if this was something brought up front before the raid, it doesn't seem to have happened often.

Seriously though, spending 6 majors and 142 healscrolls on a VOD hard that didn't go so well, followed by loot being passed to someone else, just makes me not pug any raids anymore. It is easy enough to pug another healer i guess. 2 +3 wis tomes, and bracers...REALLY good drops that run, both my FvS could have used.

Yes, your loot is your loot, you can do whatever you want with it, I just think its a bit courteous to be up front if you plan on passing loot without including everyone who contributed into the mix. :P

I am not going to sit around and whine and moan about it, or send sniping tells to various members...I just simply won't run with these types again. My choice, and I am sure their answer is "We are at no loss." or "you were a pileon anyway." and I am sure they are not...like I said, plenty of people to pug spots out. I just make the choice not to feel like some kind of sucker.

[xman26]

Oh yeah? Care to put your pp where your mouth is? oh, and better confirm with Raidin on that one. I think Barbaric has a screenshot....

Just because you believe it to be so... doesn't make it so.

Oh, and nice try to cover your ass... doesn't want, can't use and already have loot in Legion raids is always up for pug roll. That is NOT what you were saying earlier. You are saying that if Xorm wants the chattering ring very much on his monk, and it drops in your name, and you give me, the pugger (that held Xorm's hand in the green puzzle) a roll, and I roll higher, and you pass it to me over simply passing it to Xorm... you are in deed shafting your guild mate. And shame on you.

I have heard from more than a few guilds who have run with you guys in raids where a Mage/sorc user items drops on a fighter, the only other group are fighter types and it only goes to a because we all know how much a Fitgher needs that wiz/sorc based item.

I think I understand the SL policy: There isn't one right now beyond 'your loot is your loot'. I think I'll believe Delt on this one.

Delt will pass loot to his guildees that need it before non-guildees/non-friends. xman26 won't.

So Delt will pass something to Xman26 if he needs it, but xman26 won't take care of Delt. Glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Further it seems that xman26 won't contribute resources to a raid if he can't roll on other players loot that he feels he can use more than they can. Again, glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Any guesses as to who's going to contribute to the SL guild airship between Delt and xman26?

I'll be contributing just fine to SLs Airship thank you, however I can. I play about 6-10 hours a week. I help guildies all the time. I'm one of the first to volunteer to help those trying to level or get raid flagged. I give new guildies equipment when i have it to give. I give up resources to guildies and non guildies just as easily.

[Judo]

What is an issue in my eyes, is when I join a pug raid mostly inhabited by ****** guild. No mention of loot rolling is made, but the said guild distributes the loot amongst themselves...(assuming loot rolls done in guild chat, or pre-determined). While it wouldn't matter to me if this was something brought up front before the raid, it doesn't seem to have happened often.

Seriously though, spending 6 majors and 142 healscrolls on a VOD hard that didn't go so well, followed by loot being passed to someone else, just makes me not pug any raids anymore. It is easy enough to pug another healer i guess. 2 +3 wis tomes, and bracers...REALLY good drops that run, both my FvS could have used.

Yes, your loot is your loot, you can do whatever you want with it, I just think its a bit courteous to be up front if you plan on passing loot without including everyone who contributed into the mix. :P

I am not going to sit around and whine and moan about it, or send sniping tells to various members...I just simply won't run with these types again. My choice, and I am sure their answer is "We are at no loss." or "you were a pileon anyway." and I am sure they are not...like I said, plenty of people to pug spots out. I just make the choice not to feel like some kind of sucker.

If you used that many mana pots in VOD, and didn't get your pots back, then thats your fault. The fact that they didn't give you what they pulled is something you need to accept as not even a question of fair, but a statute of ownership.

Did you ask for your mana pots?

What I'm trying to say, is that resources used and loot pulled are apples and Volkeswagons. If you used resources, ask for them back, or squelch the guild.
If you get butt hurt when the other people in the raid don't give you the stuff you want that they pulled,
well I just don't think you can be helped.

[Mirta]

I think I understand the SL policy: There isn't one right now beyond 'your loot is your loot'. I think I'll believe Delt on this one.

Delt will pass loot to his guildees that need it before non-guildees/non-friends. xman26 won't.

So Delt will pass something to Xman26 if he needs it, but xman26 won't take care of Delt. Glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Further it seems that xman26 won't contribute resources to a raid if he can't roll on other players loot that he feels he can use more than they can. Again, glad xman26 isn't in my guild.

Any guesses as to who's going to contribute to the SL guild airship between Delt and xman26?

well said! Max reps+++!