Raid Loot n Resources

[LawstCawz]

I figured the weekend would be a great time to post this topic since it'll be a while before it's locked. Post with rage and don't hold back!


Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources to a guild's raid if they're not allowed to roll on raid loot?


I'd say most definitely not. This issue is cropping up fairly often with all the newer, less experienced guilds trying to run epics, abbot, and tod. I feel if you needed my toon and resources, you obviously could not have done it otherwise. If you want to fill a piker spot out of the kindness of your heart, then just let the pugger pike.

[Visty]

if they say it beforhand that youre not allowed to roll, then you know the deal and depending on the numbers of guild members vs you, just dro pthe group

if they state it just as the raid is completed, then its time for the special list

[LawstCawz]

if they say it beforhand that youre not allowed to roll, then you know the deal and depending on the numbers of guild members vs you, just dro pthe group

if they state it just as the raid is completed, then its time for the special list

I think you misread. It's not about the raid loot policy. I have no problem of guild before puggers. I have a problem of expecting the puggers to carry you, then biting the hand that feeds.

[Visty]

well, if you dont run for loot, why raid at all?
and if its just for the fun, why the thread?

also even your question says its about raid loot

and thats exactly what i said:
if puggers arent allwoed to roll: drop and blacklist

[soloman]

I think you misread. It's not about the raid loot policy. I have no problem of guild before puggers. I have a problem of expecting the puggers to carry you, then biting the hand that feeds.

Word! If I contribute resources to a raid yet am not allowed to roll on the loot dropped, I will not be joining that guilds runs again.

Ifya dont want to open up the rolls to peeps who arent in your guild then dont expect them to offer anything but their toons participation in the run.

On another note. (in my opinion) Those who are dual boxing and leaving one toon afk through an entire run, should only be allowed to pull loot that nobody wants.

See this alot nowadays and have to say it irritates the hell out of me. Even the biggest n00b loser (most of them at least) is ATTEMPTING to contribute to the group.

[Quikster]

Word! If I contribute resources to a raid yet am not allowed to roll on the loot dropped, I will not be joining that guilds runs again.

Ifya dont want to open up the rolls to peeps who arent in your guild then dont expect them to offer anything but their toons participation in the run.

On another note. (in my opinion) Those who are dual boxing and leaving one toon afk through an entire run, should only be allowed to pull loot that nobody wants.

See this alot nowadays and have to say it irritates the hell out of me. Even the biggest n00b loser (most of them at least) is ATTEMPTING to contribute to the group.

I've two boxed raids for a long time, though mostly on guild runs. Most of the time the piker loot goes up for roll, though if I want it I roll as well (roll once).

I run titan a lot with 2 guildies and we all two box. Usually in this case we keep any loot we want that we pull piker loot or not. This is mostly because its the three of us and we have done it a bunch of times together.

@OP. Yes if your expected to contribute to costs, you should be allowed a loot roll.

[sirgog]

If PUGs aren't allowed to roll on loot, join the group, then cast well-timed Dispels followed by Grease on a VON bridge or in epic DQ2, or D-Door on the chest in VoD/Reaver/etc, or Disintegrate on Pillars.

I don't begrudge guilds passing an item someone's seriously chasing to a guildy (especially if they say up-front 'we are here to get ****** their Chattering Ring), but doing it on all items is dirty.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You people sure do have a lot of screwed up raids.

[royboy]

Plz tell me what I can and can't do , with me loot.

[Nezichiend]

Depends on how many of that guild is running the raid. If it is 11 people in X guild and you, no you should not pay. If it 3 or 4 than I would put some resources up. I generally don't give resources if it was bad play on the healer's or leading guild's part. If it was a PuG healer or caster and the guild did something wrong either leading or play wise, I would give the PuG pots and not the guild's healers/ casters. If something weird happened or something unexpected happened I would be glad to throw up resources. Oh, and if I was the cause of using resources I will put some up

[Ssmooth]

I don't know man. I do know that I've run Epic raids while pugging, used a lot of resourses when things went south before. Sometimes I have gotten 1/2 back(bout average for me), sometimes I've gotten zero back. I think it really depends on who your pugging with. I know that I've gone through 15 major pots on a bad von6 run and have gotten back 2 in return and no chance at loot I didn't pull.

It's a toss of the dice really...a pot count is asked for after all is said and done and sometimes it feels like someone peed on the floor and it's asked,"Who done it!" No response from the party after you say 15.

In the past 2 months I've gone from ~60 major pots to ~25 understanding that I'll be responsible for 1 pot, but beyond that, it's curtious to repay the healer for other used and this is my policy. If your healing and use 1 pot, that's your cost. If a lot of pots are used bacause stuff just goes wrong, I'll chip in every time.

Guess not everyone is like that, but I know what it's like to not get your pots back.

After some of my experiences I can certainly see your disposition and if you've experienced similar raids as I have, I feel your pain.

Learning can be fun!

[Vhlad]

Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources to a guild's raid if they're not allowed to roll on raid loot?

Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if no loot is pulled?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if loot is pulled but kept by those who pull it?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if loot is pulled but only up for roll to a class different than the puggers class?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they get banished at the end of part 3?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they **** up in some way that increases resource use, even if raid loot is kept in guild?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they pull loot themselves but are not given the chance to roll on loot that someone else pulled?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if the raid wipes?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if the server or raid instance crashes/bugs?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if someone trades/sells/has an open auction for raid loot that they pull?

Where do you draw the line?

IMO if you join a raid you should be willing to contribute as best you can in both resource use and character performance. You are paying for a possible completion and your 1/6 chance. You have no right to other peoples 1/6 chance.

EDIT
There is also a very important distinction to make:
puggers can keep whatever loot they pull
people in guilds that have an in-guild priority policy for loot often cannot: if they do not call the item they must put it for guild roll, even if they want to loot the item themselves.

example: I'm doing TOD with 8 guildies and none of us call ravager ring. I'm on my barb, I pull ravager ring, and I don't have it yet. I want it, and 2 other guildy barbs want it too. Since none of us called it, it goes up for guild roll. Whereas if I was a pugger I'd be able to loot it. If one of the puggers wants the ring and rolls with us, should he be freed from covering any resource use if his roll is ignored? (again, this is for a ring that I pulled, that I want for myself, but that I cannot loot straight away due to guild policy).

[petegunn]

Stand by stand by! ressing Lost

On another note "take from them everything but! give them nothing" King Leonitus.

[Ssmooth]

Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if no loot is pulled?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if loot is pulled but kept by those who pull it?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if loot is pulled but only up for roll to a class different than the puggers class?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they get banished at the end of part 3?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they **** up in some way that increases resource use, even if raid loot is kept in guild?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if they pull loot themselves but are not given the chance to roll on loot that someone else pulled?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if the raid wipes?
Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources if the server or raid instance crashes/bugs?

Where do you draw the line?

IMO if you join a raid you should be willing to contribute as best you can in both resource use and character performance. You are paying for a possible completion and your 1/6 chance. You have no right to other peoples 1/6 chance.

IMO, I have no problem spending the resourses as you can see in my post. I also like to think that I do my part efficiently and competently. My only issue is not getting paid back when grouping with certain guilds if something happens that causes a lot of resourses to be used to complete the quest/raid. It's not everyone in these guilds by any means, and they are guilds that I pug with quite frequently. There are some however who will not reimburse a pugger who used 15 major pots healing an epic raid that went poorly, weather do to lag, poor plan, poor execution, etc.

Your loot is your loot. I really don't care about guild loot policies of other guilds and such and completely understand/agree with whatever they are for each guild. I generally rely on my pulls anyhow and rarely expect to get to roll on raid loot. I usually just count it a bonus if I get the chance to roll

[BurningDownTheHouse]

1. Your loot is loot, if you feel like letting your guildies have first dibs that's your prerogotive. If 11 people choose to give their guildies first dibs, that's also their prerogotive.

2. If a pugger in a raid (any and all) in which resorces were used, refuses to chip in, that pugger will no longer be welcome in my raids.

[Wizard_Zero]

1. Your loot is loot, if you feel like letting your guildies have first dibs that's your prerogotive. If 11 people choose to give their guildies first dibs, that's also their prerogotive.

2. If a pugger in a raid (any and all) in which resorces were used, refuses to chip in, that pugger will no longer be welcome in my raids.

What guild are you in? Just want to make sure I never run in a group where there is more of one your guild in it. I rather use resources/time on a group of random people and get a fair chance on rare loot. Name of guild please.

[Vint]

1. Your loot is loot, if you feel like letting your guildies have first dibs that's your prerogotive. If 11 people choose to give their guildies first dibs, that's also their prerogotive.

2. If a pugger in a raid (any and all) in which resorces were used, refuses to chip in, that pugger will no longer be welcome in my raids.

+1, Could'nt have said it better myself

[Vhlad]

What guild are you in? Just want to make sure I never run in a group where there is more of one your guild in it. I rather use resources/time on a group of random people and get a fair chance on rare loot. Name of guild please.

You have a fair chance of rare loot: you have a 1/6 chance to pull it yourself, and you get 1 raid closer to a 20th reward list. That is all you should expect, and all you are entitled to.

If you expect to demand dibbs on other peoples loot, perhaps it is you who should post what guild you are in, and your character names.

Edit:
http://my.ddo.com/wizard_zero/characters/
I don't think you need to worry about grouping with someone from Thelanis. ><
And even if he was on Sarlona, solarnight and Kophie would probably be declined after being myddo'd anyway.

Edit edit:
It should also be noted that for these organised guilds, you are much more likely to get loot compared to a group of random puggers. Random puggers are generally not as well equipped and don't have as many completions (i.e. they need more loot than someone from an organised guild), and in many cases will pocket raid loot that they will not use (i.e. taking madstone boots on their wizard because it says potency on it, while being too nub to know that the random proc prevents them from casting). Whereas groups comprised of experienced guilds are much much more likely to not need the majority of loot, and will only pull the loot that they need.

[Mirta]

Stand by stand by! ressing Lost

On another note "take from them everything but! give them nothing" King Leonitus.

Pimpin' ain't easy.

[Gunga]

Is a pugger responsible for contributing resources to a guild's raid if they're not allowed to roll on raid loot?

No way.

Question though...why would you need to pug?