Raid Loot n Resources

[Poe76]

This thread made me think of a run a couple months ago on my Cleric, we put a shroud together with 4-5 guildies, then picked up let rest in puggers, most of the
names I didn't recognize but I wasn't too concerned.

Portal dps is fine in pt 1

Pt 2 goes smooth

Pt 4 opens up and I'm healing the main group, blades come in I tell em to stay in
there, blades go out - harry disappears, melees run back to the wall.

me "Where's he at?"

answer "60%"

me "60%.....*(&^$!"

2nd round rinse repeat (chug 2 pots)

"Where's the *(&^& at now)" back at the wall

answer "20%"

me "()*&&*^!@^&!@*()&!@#^&*_!!!!!!!!!!" lol

3rd round another pot

pt 5 couple more pots

No one cept a guildy offered any recompense afterward, sure I could have stopped
healing and dropped, but I don't get down like that. Thing is I could care less about
chugging pots to get my team through, what boggled my mind and blistered some
ears in that run was the fact that there can still be 3 flippin rounders in that quest! lol

If I was a pt of a 3 rounder on one of my melees tho I would definitely kick down pots/cash to the healer, cause something sure as flip aint right taking that long.

As for raid lewtz, best advice is don't sweat another players stuff in the chest till they
tell you to roll on it or pass it to you, too much drama any other way.

See ya in the game

[xman26]

If the Guild running the RAID doesn't give you a fair shake at a roll for an item up for grabs, I say screw them on resources. This whole Guild first or Guild only notion is BS. Only greedy punks do **** like that.

[Judo]

If the Guild running the RAID doesn't give you a fair shake at a roll for an item up for grabs, I say screw them on resources. This whole Guild first or Guild only notion is BS. Only greedy punks do **** like that.

Below is my guild, feel free to squelch...and not because I feel you should give me resources, but because you have no loyalty to your guildmates. I don't even remotely expect someone to even let me roll on an item THEY pulled over their guild. And you know what? If the cleric used enough pots to be compensated for, I'll give him a pot, and say congrats to his guildy as he pulls what I wanted out of the chest.

[Delt]

Below is my guild, feel free to squelch...and not because I feel you should give me resources, but because you have no loyalty to your guildmates. I don't even remotely expect someone to even let me roll on an item THEY pulled over their guild. And you know what? If the cleric used enough pots to be compensated for, I'll give him a pot, and say congrats to his guildy as he pulls what I wanted out of the chest.

I don't remember SL having any set loot rules, instead it is up to the individual. Still, I think *most* held a guild-first policy.

As for the resources, I still think Puggers shouldn't contribute anything to a mostly guilded run (to be honest, the loot policy is mostly irrelevant). A pugger probably has less. A pugger is a *guest* in the run (in my eyes). There are exceptions (ie: pugger screwed up and contributed to the resource use), but in general, that's the way I look at it.

[xman26]

Below is my guild, feel free to squelch...and not because I feel you should give me resources, but because you have no loyalty to your guildmates. I don't even remotely expect someone to even let me roll on an item THEY pulled over their guild. And you know what? If the cleric used enough pots to be compensated for, I'll give him a pot, and say congrats to his guildy as he pulls what I wanted out of the chest.

My point is this, you ran the RAID with them, you contributed just as much as they did, to NOT be allowed to roll for an item up for grab because they do GUILDIES only is just pure greed on their part. It is one of the reasons I hate pug groups. If it goes bad, sure I'll help the cleric or mage/sorc but dont expect an ounce if the RAID loot goes up for roll and its for guildies only. My guild doesn't do that, I don't do that and I sure as hell dont want to pug in a group that does that. Go find some other nit wit to do that to.

[Clay]

+1 judo, if I could.

And Delt, seriously, we are both in Titan, me on my halfling wis/dex monk and a guildmate is on a halfling wis/dex monk, both wanting the ring.... you seriously give me an equal chance at it over a guildie?

Back to to OP's question: the completion is the goal, the loot drop is the gravy. The guest is on a clr who sucks pots... he should be compensated. The guest is on a melee while the guild clrs sucked pots... they should be compensated. The idea is getting in and getting it done.

I still think it is funny that the ones calling those with collective guild loot policies greedy are the ones here arguing, from their high horse, that: "if I can't roll on your loot I am not going to contribute to the raid's completion." Yup, you sure are the magnanimous ones.

This whole argument of what an individual does with their loot is asinine. Xman26, you have no dibs on loot that does not drop in your name, or, if your guild pools loot, in your guildmate's name. There is no situation that justifies your position that you are entitled to an other player's loot.

[Delt]

And Delt, seriously, we are both in Titan, me on my halfling wis/dex monk and a guildmate is on a halfling wis/dex monk, both wanting the ring.... you seriously give me an equal chance at it over a guildie?

Would I? Not a chance. Maybe you misread what I wrote. Or I had a mini-stroke and wrote the exact opposite of what I meant. 50/50 and I am too lazy to go back and check which.

Guildies/friends first has ALWAYS been my stance.

[darkrune]

My point is this, you ran the RAID with them, you contributed just as much as they did, to NOT be allowed to roll for an item up for grab because they do GUILDIES only is just pure greed on their part. It is one of the reasons I hate pug groups. If it goes bad, sure I'll help the cleric or mage/sorc but dont expect an ounce if the RAID loot goes up for roll and its for guildies only. My guild doesn't do that, I don't do that and I sure as hell dont want to pug in a group that does that. Go find some other nit wit to do that to.

Read carefully cause you are STILL missing the point... You had a chance at raid loot... one in six chance just like everyone else... you didnt get any... they did... it is THEIR loot to do with as THEY please... NOT YOURS, NOT MINE... if they want to give it to a guildie hurrah for them as it is THEIR loot... Get over it... it is still not yours!!!

[Nezichiend]

My point is this, you ran the RAID with them, you contributed just as much as they did, to NOT be allowed to roll for an item up for grab because they do GUILDIES only is just pure greed on their part. It is one of the reasons I hate pug groups. If it goes bad, sure I'll help the cleric or mage/sorc but dont expect an ounce if the RAID loot goes up for roll and its for guildies only. My guild doesn't do that, I don't do that and I sure as hell dont want to pug in a group that does that. Go find some other nit wit to do that to.

Hmm... almost all the top guilds are greedy.


Clay, you are greedy!
Judo, you greedy sob!
Nezi, you are greedy! .... wait I am talking to myself.

P.S. I am being sarcastic, I love all of you~!

[Clay]

Delt, you are right... I mixed up part of your post and part of Xman26's.

Consider my question directed at him, not you.

[Clay]

P.s. I Am Being Sarcastic, I Love All Of You~!

L I E S ! !

[Vint]

Good reading here.

Only bad thing is, im getting wet from all the tears.

P.S. I Love Beagles, I dont Love whiners

[Nezichiend]

L I E S ! !

Ok.... fine

I hate all of legion!

P.S. Especially the beagle lovers!

[Bunker]

Back to to OP's question: the completion is the goal, the loot drop is the gravy.

We sure do have a lot of "loot" discussions. Dam near arguements. Then I saw this quote, and thought of the airships we will soon have. "Guild" airships iirc.

Let the......



....begin!

[Freeman]

My point is this, you ran the RAID with them, you contributed just as much as they did, to NOT be allowed to roll for an item up for grab because they do GUILDIES only is just pure greed on their part. It is one of the reasons I hate pug groups. If it goes bad, sure I'll help the cleric or mage/sorc but dont expect an ounce if the RAID loot goes up for roll and its for guildies only. My guild doesn't do that, I don't do that and I sure as hell dont want to pug in a group that does that. Go find some other nit wit to do that to.

So, if you don't get a say in what happens to someone else's loot, you don't feel like you should have to contribute any resources? Do you tell people this up front when you join a raid, since obviously you don't follow the "Your loot is your loot" policy that is most common. I definitely want to know if someone will throw a tantrum if they don't get to decide what I do with my loot, after all. Will you take gold or other items instead, if no raid loot drops? How about if the person that it drops for pulls the item as well? Do you contribute half of your normal contribution in that scenario? One-third? I'm just trying to figure out how much loot you feel you deserve to avoid having you throw a hissy fit and rage-quit at the end of a raid instead of helping out those that helped get you the completion.

Seriously, why do people think that someone in a guild should have less control over their loot than someone that isn't? Why do so many people have this sense of entitlement that makes them think they deserve something that belongs to someone else?

And now for something completely different: How to give your kids nightmares...

[Gunga]

I like when people throw tantrums over loot.

It makes me smile, but not as much as when a rogue dies.

[xman26]

And Delt, seriously, we are both in Titan, me on my halfling wis/dex monk and a guildmate is on a halfling wis/dex monk, both wanting the ring.... you seriously give me an equal chance at it over a guildie?

I for one, if on one toon who CAN NOT use an item or on a toon who already has the item and doesn't want it will OFFER IT up for roll TO ALL who ran the RAID, NOT just my buddies/fellow guildies. EVERYONE who ran the RAID contributited equally to its completion and should have just as much a FAIR shot at something up for roll.

Thank the heavens I never run you guilds who do that **** because thats just what it is, ****.

[xman26]

So, if you don't get a say in what happens to someone else's loot, you don't feel like you should have to contribute any resources? Do you tell people this up front when you join a raid, since obviously you don't follow the "Your loot is your loot" policy that is most common. I definitely want to know if someone will throw a tantrum if they don't get to decide what I do with my loot, after all. Will you take gold or other items instead, if no raid loot drops? How about if the person that it drops for pulls the item as well? Do you contribute half of your normal contribution in that scenario? One-third? I'm just trying to figure out how much loot you feel you deserve to avoid having you throw a hissy fit and rage-quit at the end of a raid instead of helping out those that helped get you the completion.

Seriously, why do people think that someone in a guild should have less control over their loot than someone that isn't? Why do so many people have this sense of entitlement that makes them think they deserve something that belongs to someone else?

And now for something completely different: How to give your kids nightmares...

I'm not saying people can't do what they want with the loot they have, but GUILDS who have a standing POLICY of ALL RAID LOOT IS FOR GUILDIES ONLY is just pure BS! It should not be allowed and those GUILDS should have the hardest time filling Pugs. Funny thing is StormLords never have a problem filling pugs because WE DO NOT DO **** LIKE THAT!

[Clay]

funny thing is Legion hasn't a problem filling raids either....

Put up a SL Abbot and a Legion Abbot at the same time:

Any takers on who will fill and finish faster?



To be honest, I think you are shafting your guildmates big time if I get that ring before your guildmate does. How did you so eloquently put it? Thank heavens you aren't in my guild, because people that help the stranger down the street before the friend who is always there for them is ****.

It is NOT guild only... it is guild first; as I expect whenever I am the pugger.

[Braegan]

It is NOT guild only... it is guild first; as I expect whenever I am the pugger.

This. +1 Clay.