seen many different rogue/wiz would like feedback

[hockeyrama]

I have seen many different attepts to combine rogue and wizard. I put together a drow that I would like to try. I don't have Wf and so it is not an option. This character will be good for traps and spell use. I did not pick spells as when i play a wizard I eventually buy all the spells so no need picking what I will choose on lelvel as I will but it later.

Here he is the level 2 rogue, 18 wizard:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 208
Spell Points: 1573 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 18
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            10                    12
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         19                    28
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             15                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         1                    25
Diplomacy             6                     7
Disable Device        8                    32
Haggle                6                     7
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     1
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  4                     4
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         0                     1
Open Lock             4                    20.5
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                8                    14
Search                8                    34
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  4                     4
Tumble                1                     2
Use Magic Device      6                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand Mastery I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 10 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 13 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing III


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV


Level 17 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements III


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II

I will take out the last point in open lock and add to repair to help wf rest. I did not see that i left it at half until I posted.

Outside of that take a look and make any suggestions other then switch to WF.

[GhoulsTouch]

Believe it or not I am impressed with this one. You even made room for open locks.
Wizrogues scare me though...I mean personally I would be scared to play one. Blowing a trap is one thing, but it seems so much easier to die when you do.

True I wouldn't know. It just seems dangerous.

[hockeyrama]

it is true you not have improved evasion but you have evasion so if you make the reflex save you good. This one will have a good reflex save. However, failing a trap hurts for any build and the DD on this one means will not fail many traps once you add in gear.

Thank you for liking my design. Will try this one soon, just want some more feedback.

[Phidius]

Here's some more feedback for you...

1. One of the biggest benefits to going Drow is to get max Int - I'd start with a 20. You're not going to be hurting for UMD, so I'd take it from Charisma.

2. You will want points in Spot to find the traps - this is more important than the repair skill. You can just use a spell (or scroll) to top off the WF if they need it.

3. I'd strongly suggest getting Empower, too... the extra heat from your spells will be well worth it.

4. Try to get a high Diplomacy - if you aren't getting aggro, then you're not doing it right. My Wizzes try to get and hold all the aggro they can, but I'm guessing that's not what you're shooting for.

[Nevthial]

Just a few tips:

1. As a Lawful Good you'll take more damage in certain areas.

2. Take Empower instead of Force of Personality.

3. Improved Mental Toughness isn't really needed on a Drow Wiz. You'd be better served with something else, such as Heighten spell.

4. Drop Repair skill and put those points into Balance.

5. Do your enhancements how you wish, but Dex boosting isn't really needed on that character. ( I have mine set up for full lines on Acid/Ele , Cold/Fire & some spell pen to offset the level drop. )

6. Hit points are king in DDO, and a 14 Cha is good enough for high UMD, even a 12 really, dump the remaining into CON. ( I wish I had at times on mine )


I'll give some background on my own Wiz/Rog , it was one of the first, if not the first to be built for 18/2 at end game on my server. I had no Insightful Reflexes feat available, and only 4 enhancements to choose from when it was created. With everything we have available to us now, The 18 Wiz/ 2 Rog can be very, very powerful.

[hockeyrama]

the few points in repair where as that is a class feat so got it at full. Just want it to help the wf when they rest not really for trying to use repair skill. They will get the benefit from a higher repair skill wehn resting if they do not have it high themselves.

I took maximize instead of the others and grabbed enahncements to lower the cost. should I also take empower as well. is it not better to just leave on maximize.

I did the dex boosting mainly for tht bonus to reflex. If he actually going to do alot of traps and avoid the damage from spells cast at him he can make better use of his dex for evading.

the build is drow and I started with 15 cha, so moving it to 14 only gives me 1 extra point. With con at 13 I would not even be able to move it to 14. I could move dex or str or wis up 1 but not really see that as good as keeping the cha higher. The extra point in umd makes it easier to use more and more gear. I should by the end be able to use almost anything.

[Nevthial]

the few points in repair where as that is a class feat so got it at full. Just want it to help the wf when they rest not really for trying to use repair skill. They will get the benefit from a higher repair skill wehn resting if they do not have it high themselves.

I took maximize instead of the others and grabbed enahncements to lower the cost. should I also take empower as well. is it not better to just leave on maximize.

I did the dex boosting mainly for tht bonus to reflex. If he actually going to do alot of traps and avoid the damage from spells cast at him he can make better use of his dex for evading.

the build is drow and I started with 15 cha, so moving it to 14 only gives me 1 extra point. With con at 13 I would not even be able to move it to 14. I could move dex or str or wis up 1 but not really see that as good as keeping the cha higher. The extra point in umd makes it easier to use more and more gear. I should by the end be able to use almost anything.

Repair skill is useless at higher levels. You'll be topping them off with scrolls if you want to save sp. You need Maximize,Empower, and full enhancements for spell damage at higher levels, or you'd be wasting sp. Insightful Reflexes feat overrides utilizing Dex for Reflex save, so those enhancements are wasted points. As Phidius pointed out, a 20 starting Int is the real power of a Drow. You can survive with a 13 CON if you're planning on using tomes later ( not just +1 ones either) , but it may be a bit tough until you learn mobs, quests, ect.