Str based elven FvS?

[HGM-Chi]

Hi all,

Looking for a review of the build I'm currently thinking of LR'ing my FvS into. She's currently at level 14 (2 monk 12 FvS) and I'm thinking of going more Str based to be more effective melee while still being a solid main healer/buffer. Any advice welcome, and thanks in advance!

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Kryzii
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 307
Spell Points: 1671
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 19
Will: 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 16 20
Constitution 12 14
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 14 18
Charisma 12 17

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 18
Bluff 1 3
Concentration 5 22
Diplomacy 1 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 3
Heal 2 4
Hide 3 5
Intimidate 1 3
Jump 6 13
Listen 2 6
Move Silently 3 5
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 2
Spot 2 6
Swim 3 6
Tumble 4 6
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Undying Court
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Nightshield


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Remove Fear


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (1): Protection From Evil


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Protection From Energy


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration
Spell (3): Remove Curse


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (4): Divine Power


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (4): Deathward


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Searing Light
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (5): Raise Dead


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Spell (6): Heal


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (5): Stalwart Pact
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (7): Greater Restoration


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Sonic
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Spell (7): Protection From Elements, Mass
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Spell (9): True Resurrection


Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Scimitar Specialization I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Scimitar Specialization II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Vynnt]

I would swap your wis and con. If casting isnt your thing, you can dump wis. Con, however, is always useful. Also, note that you only need 15 dex (you are planning on a +2 tome), although, the 1 freed up pt isn't too useful.

[Lasulie]

wouldn't maximize make a much better meta-magic feat than empower spell even with the cost reduction, I don't think SPs will be a problem.

[aristarchus1000]

Might want to look at this thread, he has taken his character to cap and has done significant epic grinding with it.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=219755

I have a 2/18 capped, and some of my thoughts on your build:

It's basically fine. I'd also suggest Maximize as a metamagic feat if you are only going to take one or the other, because Empower doesn't do enough "kick" on the Mass Cures (which you will be using all the time while leveling from level 12+). I never found the empower enhancements worth it anyway, and spent them on other more useful things.

IMO, Your level 9 spell needs to be Mass Heal. It takes some practice, but this spell makes a huge difference in Raid healing, I hardly need anything else. If I had an extra slot I would have picked True Resurrection as my next level 9, but I've generally found that if someone is so squishy that they would die from a Resurrection before I get a chance to Heal (or they get a chance to avoid damage and self-heal), then they need to stay dead until the fire clears.

That said, in all the raids i've done I haven't noticed a difference between using Res and True Res in terms of the final outcomes. More of a convenience, really.

[HGM-Chi]

I would swap your wis and con. If casting isnt your thing, you can dump wis. Con, however, is always useful. Also, note that you only need 15 dex (you are planning on a +2 tome), although, the 1 freed up pt isn't too useful.

I would prefer that as well, but getting my con from 14 to 16 cost six points (elf). I'll run one through the planner with starting stats of:

Str 15
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 12
Cha 12

And change to all my level up points to STR (rather than 4 to str and one to wis) and see if I like it.

[HGM-Chi]

wouldn't maximize make a much better meta-magic feat than empower spell even with the cost reduction, I don't think SPs will be a problem.

Noted! I think I missed a feat at level 12, too... so I can think about adding it outright, or changing my empower to max and taking IC:Slash as well (or maybe OTWF).

[HGM-Chi]

Might want to look at this thread, he has taken his character to cap and has done significant epic grinding with it.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=219755

Checking that out for sure, thanks!

It's basically fine. I'd also suggest Maximize as a metamagic feat if you are only going to take one or the other, because Empower doesn't do enough "kick" on the Mass Cures (which you will be using all the time while leveling from level 12+). I never found the empower enhancements worth it anyway, and spent them on other more useful things.

That's two suggestions for that, I'm going to have to go with it.

IMO, Your level 9 spell needs to be Mass Heal. It takes some practice, but this spell makes a huge difference in Raid healing, I hardly need anything else. If I had an extra slot I would have picked True Resurrection as my next level 9, but I've generally found that if someone is so squishy that they would die from a Resurrection before I get a chance to Heal (or they get a chance to avoid damage and self-heal), then they need to stay dead until the fire clears.

Hmm, I've done a fair chunk of raid healing with my Cleric, and never once used Mass Heal. That being said, I also have maximize, empower and empower healing I can throw on to boost my mass cures, which won't be the case for this toon. I might have to consider it, for sure. With res and raise dead that might be more than enough being back the dead material anyhow.

Thanks for your input!

[aristarchus1000]

Hmm, I've done a fair chunk of raid healing with my Cleric, and never once used Mass Heal. That being said, I also have maximize, empower and empower healing I can throw on to boost my mass cures, which won't be the case for this toon. I might have to consider it, for sure. With res and raise dead that might be more than enough being back the dead material anyhow.

Thanks for your input!

I was the same way until they changed Mass Heal so that it can affect the whole raid group. Now, after encouragement of some other people here on the boards, I've found that I can solo heal 3 full rounds of Part 4 of Shroud spamming JUST quickened mass heals (got a chance to test it out when the other cleric died early). I haven't done much epic yet but it seems that many of the epic vets on the boards (notably people like Sirgog and Mellkor) report using Empowered Healing Mass Heals heavily for epic healing.

Anyway, I've become a believer, but I'm sure there are many workable strategies.

[HGM-Chi]

I was the same way until they changed Mass Heal so that it can affect the whole raid group. Now, after encouragement of some other people here on the boards, I've found that I can solo heal 3 full rounds of Part 4 of Shroud spamming JUST quickened mass heals (got a chance to test it out when the other cleric died early). I haven't done much epic yet but it seems that many of the epic vets on the boards (notably people like Sirgog and Mellkor) report using Empowered Healing Mass Heals heavily for epic healing.

Anyway, I've become a believer, but I'm sure there are many workable strategies.

Certainly worth giving it a try, anyhow. I got a fair bit of time to think about it before I get to 20 and get the spell anyhow! Thanks again!

[sirgog]

I was the same way until they changed Mass Heal so that it can affect the whole raid group. Now, after encouragement of some other people here on the boards, I've found that I can solo heal 3 full rounds of Part 4 of Shroud spamming JUST quickened mass heals (got a chance to test it out when the other cleric died early). I haven't done much epic yet but it seems that many of the epic vets on the boards (notably people like Sirgog and Mellkor) report using Empowered Healing Mass Heals heavily for epic healing.

Anyway, I've become a believer, but I'm sure there are many workable strategies.

Mass Heal is so strong, that if you have Quicken, Empower Healing and no negative healing amp Warforged in the group, you can easily soloheal Elite Shroud spamming nothing else. A build with 550+ hp buffed might even swing at elite Harry between finishing casting one Mass Heal and the cooldown expiring.

Just be sure to practice with it before jumping into unforgiving content. Try running normal, full group (so no scaling) Sins of Attrition and healing with only Mass Heal to get a feel for the timing. Eventually, you too will be a convert.

I actually did use Mass Heal a lot before it was buffed - in an Elite Shroud, we made sure only six were engaged in melee with Harry at a time. It is, of course, easier now.

[HGM-Chi]

Okay! You guys win I'll certainly give it a go with my Cleric when I'm running raids with my guildies and see what I think. I'm trying to figure out where I think it would be most useful, and shroud seems to be the most obvious. In ToD I'm mostly using scrolls and single target heal when he drops suddenly (usually on a single tank), ditto with VoD. I could see it being handy in Hound on Elite to make sure the dogs and tank stay up, although I suspect it would be overhealing a lot of the time... not sure I've not run hound elite more than once I don't think.

I'll play with it!