For new guilds and their leaders.

[Renegade66]

You can have blacklists and "friends" lists to help you out, but that's it.

I actually blacklist my friends when they get on my nerves. Right now, Inspire and Drak are on my blacklist. Not that they did anything to deserve it . . .

[Deadslug]

You will not find acceptance in established raiding guilds runs if your guild is known for bringing the drama and bailing on people. DARPA, Pestilence, Legion, Storm Lords, Two Kings, United, Archangels, AVATAR, BotSS, Maelstrom, Inferus Sus all group with each other and raid with each other every day. News of bad apples spreads like wildfire.

I AM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!1

Okay, this thread perked my interest. You'll notice that there are a lot of guilds very well established, with good reputations and good players not listed above. This list should prove a couple of points including Weyoun's point. I would like to piggy back on his point. It should be realized that there are different playing styles and different types of guilds. Every single one of the guilds listed above here has a reputation for High skill players, successful raids, and high raid knowledge. Some of them (not all) have reputations for low tolerence of people that are learning, or people not as skilled as them. That reputation is not entirely accurate. They do not generally mind helping people learn, but would very much like to know about the people that need help up front. They would normally not like to find out about it as the quest they counted on finishing today is failing. Raids like the shroud people count on completing as they need specific high level ingredients, and collect completions for their 20, 40 and such. A lot of the players from the guild lists above are really great at their game, and have every right to be very proud of themselves. They're pride is deserved.
Second thing that really needs to be echoed is that these guilds talk amongst themselves. But it does not stop there. There are other guilds that are very close. Established guilds with good reputations. Reputations for maybe other play styles. For Instance: Umber Hulks. Crimson Nexus. Fellowship of the Golden Night. Order of the Sword & Rose. Dawnswords. The Exploration Society. Sword of the Forgotten Heroes. Bane. Giant Slayers Inc. ACME Fighting Co. Knights of the Silver Dragons.
Any given Night, I talk to Leaders/Officers/Members of all of these guilds. We exchange guild members, party members, raid spots, friends, info about good players, info about bad players.... We talk about everything the game is to us.
If you are giving yourself or your guild a bad reputation..... We'll discuss it amongst ourselves too.
I will confess, that I would not be considered by anyone to be an elite high lvl raider. I have completed the Shroud a couple of times, have my Greensteel tier 2 Greatsword and my Greensteel tier 2 necklace. I would argue that ALL quests Lvl 7 and below, I could be considered not only an expert, but a master. So what?? I have been having fun.
I'm sure there are many guilds that I haven't remembered to mention here, but there are countless mini-guild-alliances across Thelanis. Bad rep's race fast.

I'm Nineteen Zerothirtyseven, and that's what I think.

[Vint]

This morning I was running a pug Vision. Everything was going good, about 7 different guild tags. A certain player decides not to listen to the leader or anyone else and makes an arse out of himself. We got thru the raid without much problem but the fact others had to pick up the slack for this guy was ridiculous.

It really bothers me that we are called "jerks or elitest" for dealing with these buttholes. When you log on to the game By all means: go RP WW for 3 hours, zerj a quest in 2 mins do as you see fit, whatever makes the game fun for you. Playing with the above mentioned is not fun for me or anyone else. When we are forced to not mention names, all we are doing is letting these people ruin 30 mins or more in quest or raids

[weyoun]

Also: Lumping all members of a guild into one category because of one eTard® is fail. Saying they wont get to raid is laughable, and talking about guilds "that count" is only entertainment for the "rest of us" who know better. Anyone can pug into any raid or epic just as much as guilds hold all guild member raids. No one is getting left behind because they wear the same guild tag as someone else who got your goat in some lamer thread back in ot six that no one else even remembers anymore.

We certainly do exclude entire guilds because of the actions of a few. That is not to say, however, that we will not re-evaluate those guilds/players once they have learned what is expected. I'm not trying to keep anyone out of any raid except for my own. The individual that Pete is referring to was exceptionally anti-social and vindictive. That is more of the persona that we are talking about. If more than one person from the same guild exhibits that behavior, I am obliged to spread the news that this is a person/guild that you have to look out for. Do I care if they raid with others, not at all. I just want my friends to know that they are/can be trouble. My buddies also happen to be the best players on Thelanis.

[Alter]

My favorite raid leader as of recent was micing his water bong as he poked his smot.

Then when he died in part 4 of the shroud he didn't want to give directions for part 5. Wasted everyone's time as much as he could.

Not sure how I would rate this as a leader? More like "look at me waste everyone's time hour" Then get ****y when people grow to a mutiny.

But i'm an elitist so I should have to deal with that...


Alter

[Lewcipher]

Peter, have you been drinking lad?

[Waukeen]

Peter, have you been drinking lad?

rhetorical question much?

as for pete's OP thesis, it makes much sense.

that being said, I love the new guilds gathering up so many players and putting a big tag above their heads.

it makes PuG life so much smoother when I can blindly decline folks without a tinge of remorse because of their guild tag

Its like meat market bars, they gather up the people that I don't want showing up at my local hole in the wall pub.