Handwraps for Beholder Hunting?

[Sal'vation]

Had a few people mention that +X Weakening Handwraps of Enfeeblement were the best for taking down beholders.

I have a pair of +5 True Law Handwraps of Greater Aberration Bane that seem to work just fine.

Anyone know what effect –STR has on a Beholder (I tried to ask three of them I saw in the pub, but after I drank them under the bar they were to drunk to reply)?

[DrakmireTS]

Once a caster, including a beholder, hits 0 str, they can't cast spells anymore. You'll still be vulnerable to the anti-magic field of their central eye, but as beholders have as much str as prematurely born kittens, weakening takes them down to "Harmless, yet annoying" in pretty short order.

[Sal'vation]

Outstanding information!

So +X Weakening Handwraps of Enfeeblement to start and +5 True Law Handwraps of Greater Aberration Bane to finish.

Any idea on time it takes for the beholder to start regaining STR(matter of seconds or minutes) and does this work on Red-Named Beholders and Undead Beholders?

[Visty]

no to rednamed and no to undead, those are immune

and it takes as long as for everyone: 1 min per point

[ezgoezit]

I use weakening of enfeebling on normal beholders and greater aberation bane on the red named. On the undead beholder... I use greater undead bane of course.

Also, it is off topic, but I find (non-boss) beholders stun and QP quite easy. I had a really nice QP, abundant step, stun (and kill), abundant step QP the other day in Invaders.

Ez

[DrakmireTS]

Yep, beholders are low on str, low on fort save, so a decently DC'd stunning fist/blow will put them at your mercy, usually long enough to kill them. If you plan to be running epics, most notably von2 epic (since f epic von3), you'd more want to invest in a pair of weighted 5% handwraps over either aberration bane or stat damage, simply due to the fact that epic mobs don't get hit by much stat damage, and the g. bane portion isn't helping you take down epic beholders fast enough. Unless you're Shade with his 55 DC stunning fist monk, but yeah.

[manfredshw]

Yep, beholders are low on str, low on fort save, so a decently DC'd stunning fist/blow will put them at your mercy, usually long enough to kill them. If you plan to be running epics, most notably von2 epic (since f epic von3), you'd more want to invest in a pair of weighted 5% handwraps over either aberration bane or stat damage, simply due to the fact that epic mobs don't get hit by much stat damage, and the g. bane portion isn't helping you take down epic beholders fast enough. Unless you're Shade with his 55 DC stunning fist monk, but yeah.

use earth earth earth finisher or earth dark earth finish on the epic beholders instead.

[Logic]

Yep, beholders are low on str, low on fort save, so a decently DC'd stunning fist/blow will put them at your mercy, usually long enough to kill them. If you plan to be running epics, most notably von2 epic (since f epic von3), you'd more want to invest in a pair of weighted 5% handwraps over either aberration bane or stat damage, simply due to the fact that epic mobs don't get hit by much stat damage, and the g. bane portion isn't helping you take down epic beholders fast enough. Unless you're Shade with his 55 DC stunning fist monk, but yeah.

I think thats DC55 stunning blow on his barbarian. Monks can't get very high stunning fist DC's due to weighted handwraps being bugged and not increasing stunning fist DC. Plus its hard to get wisdom super high.

Even with a level 20 dwarf monk and perfect setup the DC is only 40 I think
10 base
10 from monk level/2
17 from 44 wisdom (18 + 5 level up + 1 LotD + 4 tome + 3 monk enh + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 4 water stance)
3 dwarf combat feat enhancements
= DC 40 stunning fist = not good

Of course if you did completionist with 3x fighter past lifes and chugged pots you might be able to hit high 40's DC!

[Xeraphim]

I think thats DC55 stunning blow on his barbarian. Monks can't get very high stunning fist DC's due to weighted handwraps being bugged and not increasing stunning fist DC. Plus its hard to get wisdom super high.

<snip>DC 40 stunning fist = not good

Of course if you did completionist with 3x fighter past lifes and chugged pots you might be able to hit high 40's DC!

Weighted 5% wraps and wait for the proc. I took Stunning Fist off my Monk builds until my Completionist build. It could still be swapped for Toughness with no real harm(the build tops off at 28 WIS after a +4 tome).

[Quijonsith]

Correction about red named beholders. All beholders, including red named, only have 10 strength. The most you can lower a red named enemy's stats is 10. I use weakening of enfeebling on red named beholders all the time and it's no different than any other beholder for me.

Another benefit of dropping any enemy stat to 0, including beholders, is that you get free autocrits at that point.

My latest beholders hunter wraps are my weakening of aberration bane.

EDIT: Note that this does not include epic. I have not done any epic content, so obviously haven't tried stat damaging any epic beholders.

[Darkrok]

Yeah, red named beholders are pretty funny to fight with w/e handwraps. I had a group beat on one for about 45 seconds before it died. Not knowing how fast my stat damage would fade I was afraid to take off the w/e gloves so we just sat there and beat on it while it floated harmlessly in the middle of us. Really can't beat how easy those things make beholders.

[Quijonsith]

It's even funnier watching a red named beholder try to fight back with nothing but a bite attack. Had me laughing like crazy.

[Calebro]

Of course if you did completionist with 3x fighter past lifes and chugged pots you might be able to hit high 40's DC!

Please.... I keep seeing all these threads/ideas/builds/etc with the word completionist involved.
If and/or when someone actually grinds this out in 2014 let me know. I'll PM you my address so you can find me.

I'm not trying to knock your build or anything, but until someone actually GETS the completionist feat.... I'm really tired of reading about it.

[Logic]

Please.... I keep seeing all these threads/ideas/builds/etc with the word completionist involved.
If and/or when someone actually grinds this out in 2014 let me know. I'll PM you my address so you can find me.

I'm not trying to knock your build or anything, but until someone actually GETS the completionist feat.... I'm really tired of reading about it.

First off I was being sarcastic when I said a completionist monk with 3x fighter past lives can hit high 40 stunning fist DC's when a 28pt barb can hit over 50 DC.

Second, you can do "The Ultimate" with 32pts. With no past lives this build can have free self heals for 165 HP, have DR 10, and can melee and cast OK. Good enough to heal, fill in a DPS role, or solo pretty much the entire game w/o consumables. Good gear and past lives just make it that much more "Ultimate" :P