Cleric Crazy SP

[enarus]

So ive been playing cleric and Loving every moment of it but there has been one thing that has caught my attention apparently there is a Guy who has 3000 Sp and is a cleric... My question is By endgame How Crazy should my Sp be and what items should i look for to Get it up?

PS: I know all about heal scrolls and wands and Stuff and how that will help mana efficiency but i want my sp at a lvl where i require less of all that

[Lorien_the_First_One]

So ive been playing cleric and Loving every moment of it but there has been one thing that has caught my attention apparently there is a Guy who has 3000 Sp and is a cleric... My question is By endgame How Crazy should my Sp be and what items should i look for to Get it up?

PS: I know all about heal scrolls and wands and Stuff and how that will help mana efficiency but i want my sp at a lvl where i require less of all that

That seems a bit high for a pure cleric. In general what you want to do is:

• start with 18 wis
• put all ability level ups into wis
• take cleric (and human if you are) wis enhancements
• take the dwarf (if you are) sp enhancements
• use the best wis item you can find
• take the cleric SP enhancements
• take Mental Toughness & Imp Mental Toughness feats (I actually don't recommend this as a good use of feats, but if you are looking for max sp...)
• The best power, wizardry, magi, or archmagi item you can find
• crafted SP item (T3 greensteel from the shroud - preferably conc op so that you can regen sp if hit in combat)

That's the basics, I'm sure I'm missing something

There is also a trinket that falls in "Weapons Shipment" that pretty much is a free SP potion per rest.

[Wyrmnax]

Lets see if i can sum up...

Bse SP = 1205

18 Base Wis
3 Enhancements
6 Item
3 Exceptional
5 level up
1 litany
+4 Tome
= 40 Wis Final

= 435 from wisdom

200 From archimagi

150 from exceptional shroud gear

105 From mind toughness (Human Feat)
110 from energy of the zealot

105 for each extra Improved Mental toughness X 6 feats = 630 (All character feats)

Total maximum sp = 2835

Unless im missing something, a cleric wont be able to get to 3k sp. And please note that this character spent all his feats on IMT, meaning he has no empower, maximize, empower healing or anything else.


It is much more important to have healing enhancements and reduced costs on metamagics than to have a bigger ****. I mean, sp pool.

It is more important to be efficient with the sp that you have than to have the most sp possible in the game. And using scrolls and potions when the situation require.

[Slowe]

You can get 2 extra Wisdom from a Yugo favor pot and 60 extra sp from Dwarven Faith so 2914 if I added it correctly.

Anyway, the guy you heard about must've been a Favored Soul, they can reach that much easily enough, if they want to.

[Impaqt]

Mental Toughness cannot be taken Multiple TImes.

3k Spellpoints on a Cleric is impossible.

He is either telling a fib or Including extra spellpoints per rest that are available via Mysterious Bauble, Spell storing ring, or Eardweller effects.

[Visty]

105 for each extra Improved Mental toughness X 6 feats = 630 (All character feats)

you can take mental toughness only once, so subtract 525 from your total there
also it could be a dwarf for another 50sp or how much that is via enhancements

but in no way can a cleric get over 2500sp not counting items and such cause then the possible sp is only limited by inventory space (and no, i dont mean pots)

[Zenako]

Anytime ANYONE gives you some outrageously high number for some aspect of a character, you can be sure that they have gimped away other aspects of the character.

A cleric with close to 3000 SP would be a useless tool for doing so. As the example above showed, they would need to forego a ton of other useful feats that would actually make their spell casting better than just having more SP would. You can hit 2000 SP with a capped cleric and be extremely functional and probably of more use to your party than someone gimped to get 3000. Without viable metamagics, it will take multiple casts of spells to get the same result a cleric with metas can get, thereby consuming those extra points.

Same hold true for some of those outrageous Hit Point builds some people made with piles of Toughness feats, etc. That were not much more than meatbags. Not all that useful when all is said and done.

[Impaqt]

Just for fun, I decided to figure out what the MAX a Cleric could have spell point wise.

18 Cleric/1FvS/1Sorc 40 Wisdom 30CHR 3 Past Lives as a Sorc, 3 Past Lives as a FvS.

80 Magical Training
930 L18 Cleric
100 L1 Sorc
100 L1 FvS
405 CLeric Wisdom Bonus
100 Sorc CHR Bonus
100 FvS CHR Bonus
110 MT
110 IMT
60 3x SORC Past Life Passive feat
60 3x FvS Past Life Passive Feat
110 SOrc Past Life Feat
200 ARchMagi
20 Bonus SPell Points for FvS/SOrc on Items
150 Exceptional Spell Point Item
15 Bonus Spell Points for FvS/Sorc on Items
110 EotZ
60 Dwarf SPell Points
----
2700

There seems to be a little confusion as to whether or not you can take the selectable feats more than once. EVen if you can take the SOrc Feat 3 Times that would put you up to 2920. Still short of 3k

[enarus]

Just for fun, I decided to figure out what the MAX a Cleric could have spell point wise.

18 Cleric/1FvS/1Sorc 40 Wisdom 30CHR 3 Past Lives as a Sorc, 3 Past Lives as a FvS.

80 Magical Training
930 L18 Cleric
100 L1 Sorc
100 L1 FvS
405 CLeric Wisdom Bonus
100 Sorc CHR Bonus
100 FvS CHR Bonus
110 MT
110 IMT
60 3x SORC Past Life Passive feat
60 3x FvS Past Life Passive Feat
110 SOrc Past Life Feat
200 ARchMagi
20 Bonus SPell Points for FvS/SOrc on Items
150 Exceptional Spell Point Item
15 Bonus Spell Points for FvS/Sorc on Items
110 EotZ
60 Dwarf SPell Points
----
2700

There seems to be a little confusion as to whether or not you can take the selectable feats more than once. EVen if you can take the SOrc Feat 3 Times that would put you up to 2920. Still short of 3k

so what would u miss from doing this? cause doesnt this seem like a pretty good idea, i mean a cleric with high wisdom and Cha? then multiclass to abuse those 2 things and then be able to use sorc wands, and this would also still allow u get some metas like emp healing and Quickness

and think of the DV's u get from this,

[RequiemVampie]

Not really sure about anyone else, but my capped dwarf cleric has 2257 SP and his wisdom is not the highest possible atm. He also has 17 DVs, which I think is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a dwarf.

Yes, he is a heal-bot.

[nicro]

18 Wisdom
5 Levels
4 tome
3 class enhancements
7 item
1 human
3 exceptional
1 litany
2 yugo potion
2 ddo store potion (Lasting Owl's Knowledge Potion)

46 max for human, 45 for dwarf.
(18+9)*(46-10)/2 = 486 for human
(18+9)*(44-10)/2 = 459 for dwarf

Bonus SPs for Cha for being FvS and Sorc.

36 point buy
8 Str
8 Dex
12 Con
8 Int
18 Wis
18 Cha

18 Charisma
4 Tome
7 item
1 human
3 exceptional
1 litany
2 yugo potion
2 ddo store potion

38 max for human, 37 for dwarf.
(1+9)*(38-10)/2 = 140 for human * 2 classes for 280
(1+9)*(36-10)/2 = 130 for dwarf * 2 classes for 260

So an additional 54 + 60 (114) to your 2700 SPs for 2814 SPs + 210 (2x sorc feats at 10+19*5 per feat) = 3024. Seems doable though I doubt anyone would.

[Angelus_dead]

That seems a bit high for a pure cleric.

Some people count Bauble, Abbot gloves, and SSR into their spellpoints.

[enarus]

What exactly is SSR? ive been searching for whatever it may be but cant find anything

[MsEricka]

What exactly is SSR?

Spell Storing Ring

Which is actually a misnomer, because it's proper name is the Ring of Spell Storing

It has 3 charges, and gives you 25 SP back on each charge for a total of 75SP. Not spectacular in itself, but can enable someone to cast a few spells in a tight situation.

The Epic version however is spectacular. It acts like 3 SP pots and can give you 315-1800SP

[Shade]

Just for fun, I decided to figure out what the MAX a Cleric could have spell point wise.

18 Cleric/1FvS/1Sorc 40 Wisdom 30CHR 3 Past Lives as a Sorc, 3 Past Lives as a FvS.

80 Magical Training
930 L18 Cleric
100 L1 Sorc
100 L1 FvS
405 CLeric Wisdom Bonus
100 Sorc CHR Bonus
100 FvS CHR Bonus
110 MT
110 IMT
60 3x SORC Past Life Passive feat
60 3x FvS Past Life Passive Feat
110 SOrc Past Life Feat
200 ARchMagi
20 Bonus SPell Points for FvS/SOrc on Items
150 Exceptional Spell Point Item
15 Bonus Spell Points for FvS/Sorc on Items
110 EotZ
60 Dwarf SPell Points
----
2700

There seems to be a little confusion as to whether or not you can take the selectable feats more than once. EVen if you can take the SOrc Feat 3 Times that would put you up to 2920. Still short of 3k

Sounds right. It's true you cannot take any past life active feats more then once. Nor really any feat that doesn't specificly say that you can like Toughness.

Lots of details on this topic here:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Spell_point

Not sure if the Sorc Chr bonus and the FvS chr bonuses stack? Didn't see that explained on the wiki, not updated for FvS yet I guess. I'd guess they would since it does say Bard and Sorc cha bonus SP stack.

Now if you add all the possible regen items to the 2700 you can get pretty high:
2700+
1058 - Epic Ring os SS (315-1800SP, Average 1058)
353 - Bauble (105-600, Average = 353)
840 - 12 minuits worth of Power Drain from 4 sets of abbot gloves (I think thats the max you can expect to able to use shrine to shrine, in the longest of quests)
2d6 = 7 average x 10 tics, x 3 clicks = 210 x 4 sets = 840
=
4951 on Average usable spell points, per shrine
Could add the old archevist necklace and old spell store ring to break 5K

Ofcourse there's also the eardweller eggs and yugoloth pot regen, but far as I know they don't stack with powerdrain, making them not too useful to the spellpoint crazed cleric.

[Lymnus]

Some people count Bauble, Abbot gloves, and SSR into their spellpoints.

I've an Archivist's Necklace!
That's like, 50 SP!

...Right?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Some people count Bauble, Abbot gloves, and SSR into their spellpoints.

Some people have epeen problems and need to claim their blue bline is bigger than it is.

[Angelus_dead]

Some people have epeen problems and need to claim their blue bline is bigger than it is.

Why would you write something like that?

[Sirea]

Meh, counting SP regen items towards your total SP is like counting Rage/Madstone boots towards your total HP.

My husband's dwarf cleric has 2341 base SP:

http://my.ddo.com/character/ghallanda/cerialkiller/

My human cleric has 2252 (and her wisdom isn't even maxed):

http://my.ddo.com/character/ghallanda/maiah

Which is usually plenty. Unfortunately I've been unlucky with things such as the Bauble and Abbot gloves

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

I am level 16 and I only have 1500 sp with one pearl of power X. No other items. Its how you spend your points that make all the difference.

Oh yeah - a nice potency weapon helps out too.