okay need a little direction with rogue/ranger/?

[bree22]

i am currently at level 11 1rogue/10 ranger tempest Drow stats starting were 16, 16, 14, 10, 10, 10. Yea drow forced me to 10 on cha. what a waste. i was planning on going the exploiter route (even though it is a 32pt build and human) but didn't realize how much monks are and i had already bought +1lesser HOW. So really wanted to save the rest for a few more adventure packs. So question here is do i just take 19 level of ranger for the extra casting spells or splash a level of fighter or something. I currently have added 2 to str and 3 to dex with enchantments pts. I have +3 to 4 items on to increase each stat except cha.

if i take fighter at say level 13 can i choose exotic weapons? being level 1 fighter or level 13 toon?

[redstevi]

I'm no expert but a second level of rogue appears in a lot of builds as it grant you the 'evasion' feat for free.

I think evasion means that you take half or no damage from area effect spells like fireball, depending on the outcaome of a saving throw.

It also gives a bonus to sneak attack damage (through action points).

[werk]

I think it's going to be an uphill battle with those stats on a drow twf in melee, but I'll try to answer your direct questions.


You definitely want 18 levels of ranger for tempest 3.

You can pick exotic weapons with any feat choice, so you don't require fighter or a specific level character, although fighter would provide a bonus feat.

[Visty]

I'm no expert but a second level of rogue appears in a lot of builds as it grant you the 'evasion' feat for free.

I think evasion means that you take half or no damage from area effect spells like fireball, depending on the outcaome of a saving throw.

It also gives a bonus to sneak attack damage (through action points).

rangers get evasion at lvl9 too

a common exploiter without the monk is the ranger18/rogue1/fighter1 as you get a eat this way too which can be usefull (esp on a drow which has 1 feat less then the human version anyway)

[daniel7]

Here are your main options:

1. Rogue - Gives you 2 more skill points and very few skills are cross class for a rogue.

2. Ranger - More spell points and slots.

3. Fighter - 1 feat and proficiencies that you don't need. Only 2 skill points.

4. Monk - 1 class feat, ac bonus when not wearing armor equal to wisdom bonus, loss of one attack bonus. Only 4 skill points I believe.

I would stick with the ranger level unless you really need the feat.

[tunabomber]

I'm no expert but a second level of rogue appears in a lot of builds as it grant you the 'evasion' feat for free.

I think evasion means that you take half or no damage from area effect spells like fireball, depending on the outcaome of a saving throw.

It also gives a bonus to sneak attack damage (through action points).

He already has evasion,level 9 ranger gives you that.Dont worry about your charisma,you can bump that up with an item very easily(althou im not sure why your worrying bout that stat,unless for umd).Go for a splash of fighter for an xtra feat and get khopesh proficiency.You will be happy you did.

[bree22]

He already has evasion,level 9 ranger gives you that.Dont worry about your charisma,you can bump that up with an item very easily(althou im not sure why your worrying bout that stat,unless for umd).Go for a splash of fighter for an xtra feat and get khopesh proficiency.You will be happy you did.

yea thank you. I am not worried about Cha. i would rather have lowered it to use pts on con, int or wisdom (preferred) but i had to have 10 because of Drow. I really was looking for that extra AC with the monk but still not open to buying it. So that is where i was deciding 19 levels of ranger (spells and spell pts) or go with the extra feat? I am currently using rapiers with short swords til GTWF kicks in. I have some great weapons (in my opinion) and read up on the comparison between rapiers and khopeshes. According to that tread http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=190581&page=4 even though khopeshes are better, it appears to be only slightly better being that for me I am getting bonuses for Drow in my enhancements to use rapiers and short swords and i can use my feats for an extra toughness or improve crit or mental toughness? or something like that.

[bree22]

okay. looking at my planning. I am not to sure which way to go with feats. remember i am level 10 ranger/1 rogue with current feats, dodge, mobility, Spring attack, and toughness. I am thinking that trying to get to use khopeshes is going to cost me either a 2nd toughness (stackable), whirlwind for multi attacks, +1 to attack with weapons focus. Are khopeshes worth that much? I can chose not to take IC piercing instead but seems to be a waste. Am I missing something? Is whirlwind or Weapon Focus not worth it? Am I overrating the extra 22 HPs for the 2nd toughness?

Option #1
Khopeshes
IC slashing
IC piercing
OTWF

Option #2
IC Piercing
OTWF
Whirlwind
toughness

Option #3
IC piercing
WF piercing
OTWF
Toughness

[Visty]

whirlwind, along with cleave and great cleave, do lower your dps rather then increasing it.
they are not worth taking

[bree22]

whirlwind, along with cleave and great cleave, do lower your dps rather then increasing it.
they are not worth taking

so am i better off with option 1 or 3? i am leaning towards #3 because i have the rapiers and shortswords that i think are really good. I blends of bursts with puncturing and wounding. I hitting for DPS plus hitting reduction to str and con with either each hit or on crits. I am figuring that to replace my current weapons for khopeshes are going to cost (thats assuming that i can find replacements) even after i sell my current ones.

[unbongwah]

As a drow, I would stick with rapiers & short swords: save a feat and take advantage of your racial bonuses. For feats I would take IC Piercing at 12, Power Attack at 15, and Oversized TWF (Tempest III pre-req) at 18. I'd stick with ranger at least until you get Tempest III at 19 unless you think you need that extra feat from fighter.

[Artos_Fabril]

As a drow, I would stick with rapiers & short swords: save a feat and take advantage of your racial bonuses. For feats I would take IC Piercing at 12, Power Attack at 15, and Oversized TWF (Tempest III pre-req) at 18. I'd stick with ranger at least until you get Tempest III at 19 unless you think you need that extra feat from fighter.

This.

Also, I don't think losing the monk level is hurting you that much, unless you're trying to tank, and I don't think your AC is high enough to do that seriously in elite, let alone epic. Sticking with rapiers also puts you in a good place for special effect weapons that only proc on crits.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I'd say if you're planning on tempest, go with fighter for the extra feat (power attack would be a good possibility for more damage-dealing potential) - iirc rangers dont get anything essential at 19th level. You can also squeze an extra 14HP into the build for only 1 AP through the 1st tier of fighter toughness enhancement plus the higher base HP from the fighter level

Weapons-wise, since you're drow i'd say stick with dual rapiers if at all possible - dual weakening of enfeebling rapiers are a popular option for good reason. Dual heavy picks could be a nice option too (maybe keep a pair of burst/maiming ones to switch out to for fast disposal of stat-drained trash).