Need some help again Junts.

[Demoyn]

Extra cha gives +1 to umd

On a class that doesn't have UMD as a skill, meaning that it will never be high enough to matter regardless.

bigger LoH

The 10 points of overhealing isn't enough for you already?

+1 on all saves

So instead of failing on a 1 he'll fail on... a 1?

and bigger exalted smites.

I'm pretty sure that charisma modifier only adds to attacks, in which case he'll still be hitting on a 2.

[Quikster]

I personally would go with something along the lines of what Demoyn posted. Though going 16 str with 16 cha vs 18 str and 14 cha is debatable. Both have their merits. UMD is nice only if you have the skill points to max is (which you should as human) and the time to grind out the gear. If it were me I would prolly go with the higher cha. With the right buffs up you will prolly never notice the -1 to hit from starting with a 16 vs 18 str.

[Gercho]

On a class that doesn't have UMD as a skill, meaning that it will never be high enough to matter regardless.

The 10 points of overhealing isn't enough for you already?

So instead of failing on a 1 he'll fail on... a 1?

I'm pretty sure that charisma modifier only adds to attacks, in which case he'll still be hitting on a 2.

Every paladin, even the ones that dont splash for umd want to use UMD, even more, the bonus to UMD is more important in pure paladins that have only half ranks.

Btw, i didnt made a final judgement on which one was more important, i just said that there are other benefits for a paladin on the cha, and i m not sure that you can dismiss those bonus so easily, i almost never overheal with LoH, i certainly fail some (not all) ST with 2, and as i said the umd is allways good, could be the difference of a heal scroll that can save your ass miss or fail.
So, any time i have to chose between str and cha for a paladin, if the cha will allow me a higher DM, i would chose cha, but obviously, its only my opinion.
You could argue that at high level the +1 to attack wont make any difference, since he will be hitting on 2 anyway.

[Nyvn]

On a class that doesn't have UMD as a skill, meaning that it will never be high enough to matter regardless.

11 Ranks
07 Charisma (16 Base + 2 Tome + 6 Item)
06 Charisma Skills from Greensteel
02 Luck
03 Golden Cartouche
04 Greater Herosim
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33 Total


33 is not high enough to matter? 30 if you're not wearing a Golden Cartouche.

[Demoyn]

11 Ranks
07 Charisma (16 Base + 2 Tome + 6 Item)
06 Charisma Skills from Greensteel
02 Luck
03 Golden Cartouche
04 Greater Herosim
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33 Total


33 is not high enough to matter? 30 if you're not wearing a Golden Cartouche.

35 if you've got seven-fingered gloves! Of course that assumes you're going to make a tier 3 mana item for a paladin, that you wasted points on intelligence to be able to afford UMD (unless you're human), that you're not going to use a bloodstone, and that you have someone around for GH (or spend even more money on scrolls).


Of course, if you have someone around for GH you probably also have someone around for heals (or you can use zero fail wands in between combat and LoH during combat for emergencies like paladins were meant to do).

[Talamare2k4]

35 if you've got seven-fingered gloves! Of course that assumes you're going to make a tier 3 mana item for a paladin, that you wasted points on intelligence to be able to afford UMD (unless you're human), that you're not going to use a bloodstone, and that you have someone around for GH (or spend even more money on scrolls).


Of course, if you have someone around for GH you probably also have someone around for heals (or you can use zero fail wands in between combat and LoH during combat for emergencies like paladins were meant to do).

planar gird clicky?

[AylinIsAwesome]

35 if you've got seven-fingered gloves! Of course that assumes you're going to make a tier 3 mana item for a paladin, that you wasted points on intelligence to be able to afford UMD (unless you're human), that you're not going to use a bloodstone, and that you have someone around for GH (or spend even more money on scrolls).

Drow or Human: Enough skill points per level without putting any points into INT. You can switch between the Bloodstone and another trinkey, and you can have a Planar Gird.

There, all self-buffed.

[Nyvn]

35 if you've got seven-fingered gloves! Of course that assumes you're going to make a tier 3 mana item for a paladin, that you wasted points on intelligence to be able to afford UMD (unless you're human), that you're not going to use a bloodstone, and that you have someone around for GH (or spend even more money on scrolls).


Of course, if you have someone around for GH you probably also have someone around for heals (or you can use zero fail wands in between combat and LoH during combat for emergencies like paladins were meant to do).

I'm glad your such an expert on what paladins are meant to do. Personally I'd rather use all the abilities I'm able to rather than just the ones someone arbitrarily decided that I'm "supposed" to.

1) GH scrolls aren't expensive
2) You can always switch out gear, Feel like a teleport? Toss on your UMD gear and use a scoll.
3) Heal Scrolls > Wands for healing you can even *gasp* alternate!
4) Why not make a tier 3 mana item? It wouldn't be my first or even 2nd GS for a paladin, but eventually you'll have plenty of ingrediants.

[Nyvn]

planar gird clicky?

Planar Gird - (Belt) Greater Heroism (CL:11, 1/rest), Chaosguard

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...PlanarGird.jpg

[Talamare2k4]

Planar Gird - (Belt) Greater Heroism (CL:11, 1/rest), Chaosguard

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...PlanarGird.jpg

I kno, Im telling him to use one~

[Nyvn]

Ah gotcha, you can also use the Draconic Necklace.