The Drow Duo - Paladin/Rogue 18/2

[cfelicio]

Hi Guys,

Can you please comment on the build below? It is supposed to be the main dps, played by me. He will be the one going first on a duo play, so has spot to get traps / doors / etc, while the other character (the drow wizard), will be opening / searching / disabling.

You can check the other build here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...09#post2690709

What kind of equipment we can get for him? We are F2P, but have bought some adv packs:

Gianthold
Vale
Sorrowdusk
Tangleroot

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Belzt Fret'tar
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 218 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 20
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 20                   20
Dexterity            16                 17                   17
Constitution         12                 14                   14
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             16                 18                   18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                  7                    7
Bluff                 3                  4                    4
Concentration         3                  4                    4
Diplomacy             3                  4                    4
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                7                  8                    8
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  3                  3                    3
Intimidate            7                 16                   16
Jump                  6                  9                    9
Listen                3                  3                    5
Move Silently         3                  3                    3
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  2                    2
Search                2                  2                    4
Spot                  3                 22                   27
Swim                  6                  9                    9
Tumble                7                  7                    7
Use Magic Device      7                 27                   27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Spell (2): Angelskin
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Intimidate (+8)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Holy Sword
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Stalwart Pact
Spell (4): Zeal


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III

Thanks

[cfelicio]

THe one posted above is for endgame content. For up to lvl 14, I'm thinking this would be more useful:

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Belzt Fret'tar
Level 14 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 154 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 14)           (Level 14)
Strength             14                 16                   16
Dexterity            16                 17                   17
Constitution         12                 12                   12
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             16                 16                   16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 14)          (Level 14)
Balance               7                  7                    7
Bluff                 3                  3                    3
Concentration         3                  3                    3
Diplomacy             3                  3                    3
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                7                  7                    7
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  3                  3                    3
Intimidate            7                 15                   15
Jump                  6                  7                    7
Listen                3                  3                    5
Move Silently         3                  3                    3
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  2                    2
Search                2                  2                    4
Spot                  3                 16                   18
Swim                  6                  7                    7
Tumble                7                  7                    7
Use Magic Device      7                 20                   20

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Spell (2): Angelskin
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Intimidate (+8)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

Any ideas?

[Gercho]

Looks solid, the only thing i dont think is worthy is getting 4 points extra on int so you can max spot, the wizard should get the spot, and drop some in search if he is too tight on skill points since he can use the find traps spell to give a boost to the search skill.
If you chose to drop int to 10, put those points in str.

[African-Grey]

Looks solid, the only thing i dont think is worthy is getting 4 points extra on int so you can max spot, the wizard should get the spot, and drop some in search if he is too tight on skill points since he can use the find traps spell to give a boost to the search skill.
If you chose to drop int to 10, put those points in str.

Spot uses Wisdom, not Intelligence. My guess is that Intelligence was pumped a bit for skill points, which is what I did with my paladin/rogue as well. Of course, with a base 8 wisdom, gear is going to play heavily into the paladin's spotting ability.

Also, his wizard buddy might have a hard time casting Find Traps as it's a divine spell.

As to the build, it's probably a matter of taste but I wouldn't want to wait until level 11 for evasion. I really wouldn't want to wait for it if I were playing your friend's character either*, mainly because of the traps that start popping up where the box is on the other side of the actual trap. In those cases he'll need to get past the traps to disable them. Plus it's always nice to shrug off fireballs, cones of cold, etc. Of course, if you guys are really fast levelers this may not be an issue for you.





* While it can be painful to basically be a spell level behind as a caster due to multiclassing, I personally love evasion enough to put up with it.

[Gercho]

I know that spot uses wisdom, he got 4 extra point on int so he can max spot skill, thats a bad idea imho.
My mistake about find traps.
Anyway, i still think that the wizard should be the one with spot, or just drop spot from the duo, there are situations where spot wont be of any use, and once you know the quests, you know where to search aswell, not worth taking 4 point on int.

Spot uses Wisdom, not Intelligence. My guess is that Intelligence was pumped a bit for skill points, which is what I did with my paladin/rogue as well. Of course, with a base 8 wisdom gear is going to play heavily into the paladin's spotting ability.

Also, his wizard buddy might have a hard time casting Find Traps as it's a divine spell.

As to the build, it's probably a matter of taste but I wouldn't want to wait until level 11 for evasion. I really wouldn't want to wait for it if I were playing your friend's character either*, mainly because of the traps that start popping up where the box is on the other side of the actual trap. In those cases he'll need to get past the traps to disable them. Plus it's always nice to shrug off fireballs, cones of cold, etc. Of course, if you guys are really fast levelers this may not be an issue for you.





* While it can be painful to basically be a spell level behind as a caster due to multiclassing, I personally love evasion enough to put up with it.