So, about that 10 con...

[Pollyester]

Too squishy? *cringe*

To clarify, my Dwarven cleric at level 9 has slightly over 100 health. Is this a terrible thing?

I plan on spending some enhancement points on the Dwarven constitution line (I've put one point in thus far, and wear a plus one con cloak). I'm not adverse to buying a plus two tome in the future, but auction house prices at this point in time are rather steep.

[SolarDawning]

Most people would advise against starting with that low a constitution.
Personally, I'd suggest putting those racial bonuses to work, and starting with an inexpensive 14 or 16 constitution as a dwarf.

At your current level, your health is far too low. It can, however, be fixed with some gear.
You could use a +4 constitution item, an Improved False Life item, and your two +constitution racial enhancements. That'd get you to a more respectable level of survivability.

By level 13, you can use a +6 con item, Minos Legens helm (Free 20 hp that stacks with other gear), Greater False Life (+30 hp), and, if you can afford it by then, a +2 con tome.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

That's embarrassingly low on a cleric.

To keep this cleric from dying continously you will need as you level a greater false life item, a +6 con item, the toughness feat and toughness racial enhancements as well as a con tome and some racial con enhancements, maybe even a shroud hp item.

When LR comes out next update you might seriously consider redoing this character. On a dorf 14 is your min con, you might even consider 16 considering the point buy is cheap.

[farbtonwolf]

End of game you want to have at least 250 hp. 300 plus is more perferred.

[Pollyester]

Well, with the enhancement and cloak, she is at 12 con now. As I say, I am planning on spending points in the Dwarven Con line and maybe seeking out a tome.

As for the dying, it doesn't happen all that often. ( I realize that as content gets more difficult that will be subject to change). Probably because I am overly cautious and take things slow (reaalll slooow ). That is not a play style that may seem practical or desirable to the more experienced crowd but it fits me, it gives me the opportunity to learn at my own pace. I also am not interested in raiding, at all. At least not on this character.

Thanks for the feedback folks, and I will keep an eye out for useful plus con items and false life items. And no, I am not embarrassed about my character, I would only be embarrassed if I did not seek to improve myself and learn.

[Future]

I'm sure you can make a shroud item for HPS, the minos helm and a con +6 item with a GFL item will help you.

When I read your post, all I could think of was "Shroud Part 4". One fireball to the face and you are done
Good Luck to you!

[captain1z]

I'm sure you can make a shroud item for HPS, the minos helm and a con +6 item with a GFL item will help you.

When I read your post, all I could think of was "Shroud Part 4". One fireball to the face and you are done
Good Luck to you!

The blades in part 3 and 4 will do the job b4 a fireball does but hes not planning on raiding so it wont be a problem.
Ogres, trolls, giants and archers however are everywhere and some of them do lunging triple swings and can kill by accident.

[Future]

The blades in part 3 and 4 will do the job b4 a fireball does but hes not planning on raiding so it wont be a problem.
Ogres, trolls, giants and archers however are everywhere and some of them do lunging triple swings and can kill by accident.

True, those blades are a pain in the rear!!

[Pollyester]

The blades in part 3 and 4 will do the job b4 a fireball does but hes not planning on raiding so it wont be a problem.
Ogres, trolls, giants and archers however are everywhere and some of them do lunging triple swings and can kill by accident.

That's correct, I am not interested in raiding. There was a thread posted a bit ago in the new player forums regarding fortification items, so I will be seeking those things out as well. At least, I am assuming the need for fortification is what you meant about the lunging.

I have a belt of light fort right now, but I also keep an eye out for what quests have good loot.

[uhgungawa]

Don't have all the info so someone might have a more exact answer but here's a close break down

lvl 20 cleric

160 base
100 con bonus (10 base, 2 tome, 2 racial, 6 item = 20 con for 5 mod per lvl)
40 dwarven toughness
30 GFL item
45 GS Item
---------
375 total

not the end of the world, but could be better

[Lorien_the_First_One]

That's correct, I am not interested in raiding.

Then you will always be subpar anyway past L13 or so all all the high end cleric gear comes from raids.

Why would you want to avoid raids?

[uhgungawa]

End of game you want to have at least 250 hp. 300 plus is more perferred.

That is even too low for end game

[Krag]

OP, your cleric has no AC, no evasion, not even self-cast displacement,
so tell me, please, what keeps you alive when you are hit with improved trip/cometfall and can't spam healz like crasy?

Health bar is your only defense and you better have as many HP as possible. All those items suggested here as well as Con racial enhancement you want to get regardless of your starting Con.

/reroll

[Pollyester]

Then you will always be subpar anyway past L13 or so all all the high end cleric gear comes from raids.

Why would you want to avoid raids?

This is a learning character. It isn't a big deal to me if she is sub par as I can make another character at a later time and do a more sensible allocation of stats. Well, at least I maxed her wisdom out.

As to the not wanting to raid part, I am chronically ill. I take frequent breaks and cannot tie myself to the computer. My husband understands this and is patient. I would not inflict that on folks in a game, no matter how understanding they are. I simply would not be able to commit myself to a group of that nature, it would not be fair to them.

*edit*

Don't have all the info so someone might have a more exact answer but here's a close break down

lvl 20 cleric

160 base
100 con bonus (10 base, 2 tome, 2 racial, 6 item = 20 con for 5 mod per lvl)
40 dwarven toughness
30 GFL item
45 GS Item
---------
375 total

not the end of the world, but could be better

Ah, thank you for that. Some items may be out of my reach, but I will see what happens.

[tc12]

Too squishy? *cringe*

To clarify, my Dwarven cleric at level 9 has slightly over 100 health...

First, I have to admit my cleric is a 10 CHA too, but this is a 3 year old Drow built when the level cap was 10. Now a +2 tome, toughness feat, etc and I'm a bit over 300 @18th, but I'm sooooo looking forward to a reincarnate that will fix this. I just wish I could easily start at 16 like a Dwarf can, even 14 is costly on a Drow.

I'm stuggling to guess what stats got your build points. 10 on a dwarf means you cranked CON down as low as possible. You can't be a melee cleric given that CON. Hmmm, you can't be an offensive caster either for fear of agro. So was it CHA for DVs as a pure healbot? Ouch, even healbots need HP from AoE damage, etc.

Play carefully until reincarnate and go 18 WIS / 16 CON / whatever. Good casting, good healing, good survivability. Forget DVs and use those enhancement points on Dw CON I-II instead. Even if you don't want to raid (which this easily could) it'd be much stronger for party play as well as giving you solo ability too if you wanted.

TC

[uhgungawa]

OP, your cleric has no AC, no evasion, not even self-cast displacement,
so tell me, please, what keeps you alive when you are hit with improved trip/cometfall and can't spam healz like crasy?

Health bar is your only defense and you better have as many HP as possible. All those items suggested here as well as Con racial enhancement you want to get regardless of your starting Con.

/reroll

Don't reroll. Dust heart is a start, not much but will help. getting the right gear is what is needed. Ask guildies and friends if they have some scraps.

All but the GS HP items are standard loot. So you can get 330 HP and with more reincarnations coming soon you'll be able to fix it more if you care to.

By cap you can fix a lot, just getting there will be the task

[Pollyester]

10 on a dwarf means you cranked CON down as low as possible. I'm stuggling to guess what stats got your build points. You can't be a melee cleric given that CON. For a non-melee dwarf cleric, even on a 28 pt build you can max WIS @18 and still get 16 CON. None of your other stats need upping. CHA for DVs? Ouch, not at the cost of dumping CON.
TC

Yes, I maxed wisdom first plus I am putting level ups in that. And yes, I went overboard with the charisma, for the divine healing more so than the divine vitality.

Don't reroll. Dust heart is a start, not much but will help. getting the right gear is what is needed. Ask guildies and friends if they have some scraps.

All but the GS HP items are standard loot. So you can get 330 HP and with more reincarnations coming soon you'll be able to fix it more if you care to.

By cap you can fix a lot, just getting there will be the task

Thanks again. I feel a little less stupid.

[sirgog]

End of game you want to have at least 250 hp. 300 plus is more perferred.

Personally, I recommend 440+ for clerics endgame, so you can survive one hit of pretty much anything.

But, that's only really important in Epics and the tougher raids, plus Amrath hard/elite. If you aren't intending to run them then you can make this character serviceable by getting Minos Legens or some other Heavy Fort item at level 11, then hunting down a +5 or better Con item and an Improved False Life or better HP item, and always asking for Blur or Displacement in areas where there's a lot of incoming melee damage.

[tc12]

Until you obtain your HP gear, you should pick up Quicken if you don't yet have it. Normally it could wait, but with low HP the ability to get an un-interruptible cure serious off on yourself when a Troll or something gets ahold of you will be a life-saver.

Either that (or in addition to that) picking up Toughness and taking some racial Toughness enhancements would get you some HP now, and you can swap it back out later for more metas once you are up to a comfortable HP range later.

There's one "free" feat swap available from Lockania's dragonmark quest if you haven't done that, before needing the resources to see Fred.

TC

[Nyvn]

10 Con is low. It is however playable as long as you play intelligently and get gear to help compensate. I still play my original cleric with 10 base con, and do fine. As to the not raiding most raids take less than an hour to complete, and some can be done in less than 30 min routinely.