How much of a dumb-ass do you have to be...

[Razcar]

You have to consider that people start up their own pug groups for different reasons. I can see two categories here. What they have in common is that the leader doesn't mind the slight hassle that may occur in forming a pug, especially for a pug raid.

The first category is someone starting their pug for reasons such as that they don't find anything they want to do in the LFM list, or they don't have a network of friends available to run with (at that time) and third, they are already grouped and would need some more people (this third reason has almost died due to various reasons and changes, except for raids). Some people also like to start and lead groups because they think it's fun to lead, rather than out of necessity.

Then we have the second category of group-formers. Some start their own groups because it can be a little power-trip for someone with a low self esteem. You get to pick and choose people and you get a little bit of attention. There is also the possibility that they do not get accepted into other player's pugs due to various reasons (such as personality or for example the combo of "low & loud" game knowledge), and thus have no other option than forming their own.

The second category you can sometimes spot, with either macho or illogical LFM's, but of course not always.

[Tobril]

Then we have the second category of group-formers. Some start their own groups because it can be a little power-trip for someone with a low self esteem. You get to pick and choose people and you get a little bit of attention. There is also the possibility that they do not get accepted into other player's pugs due to various reasons (such as personality or for example the combo of "low & loud" game knowledge), and thus have no other option than forming their own.

The second category you can sometimes spot, with either macho or illogical LFM's, but of course not always.

I have to agree with this statement. I lead five back-to-back pug shrouds a few days ago. The first three were smooth successes with no issues.

The fourth failed in part II!!! (killing things before it was time, not listening, etc) /cry A few people complained that the healers were to blame, and then proceeded to start their own shroud group on ELITE. Apparently they knew something I didn't, as my previous three sub-thirty minute runs didn't count for anything.

The funny thing is that the healers were the same from the previous runs, the only real difference was the players who complained. (the complainers were not in the previous runs)

My fifth run finished in twenty-something minutes and the elite group was still forming.

[Tin_Dragon]

LFM: Looking for DPS
Me (13/6/1 Rog/Rgr/Fig): Sending join request
LFM poster: Dude, we're looking for DPS, no traps in the quest for you

...

I was told almost the exact same thing about a week ago on my 2/6/12 rog rgr barb....

so sad.

then i get yelled at in VoD for out dps'n the dps tank with my 18 pally wf greatsword user.

pallies have no dps at all.....

[Elaril]

For newbies who gonna read that, and use myddo to "inspect" other chars - remember, that Myddo isnt updated in real time. From what I saw, profile is updated every time the character logout (if there was any changes in gear/stat between logouts), so you cant use it to check what the character have at the time you are checking him (if hes online at this time). It can be usefull to check other characters, but after that, if u see some weird things, dont forget to send tell to the "inspected" character about those things (like Vhlad did, when he saw ice sword/s&b). Declining some1 just because he wear shield in MyDDO would be silly

Just my 2 cop.

If I remember, I try to make it a point to put on the worst possible gear in my inventory before I log out.

[Anderei]

If I remember, I try to make it a point to put on the worst possible gear in my inventory before I log out.

On one of my characters I still have the starter regs in the bank. Should make it a rule to put em on before logging :-)

[Freeman]

Maybe they didn't like your name.

Youshould change it to something more spiffy and bold.


MAX POWER - for example.

I believe the correct spelling is xxMAXxx Power these days. Yay for originality!

[Ministry]

... to turn down a 18/2 paladin/rogue for a normal Shroud run full of 20th level characters?

Note that this person was looking for "DPS" and only had fighters and barbarians listed in the LFM...

Now, I've only been rejected out right twice in over 3 years playing, but I have sat in the queue for a few minutes on a few occasions and not got picked up.

Were you rejected or just left to rot in queue?

Being rejected as a 18 Pally / 2 Rogue is just rediculous, but being left to rot in the queue is just stupid.

Maybe you have ****ed off someone and they remembered?

I know there are a few people out in ddo land that would reject me if they got their chance, due to personality issues and if that's the case, no point even posting about it.

I know in my time I've been on teams and we have debated people joining and will select those we would prefer. Again, that is not a reason to be disappointed... just get better at the game and relations in game and things will get better.

In the end, people are stupid and some will do stupid things or what seem stupid, but they have their reasons... most likely stupid reasons, but they are their stupid reasons.

[ace_mason]

Am I the only one that read this guys signature? There is some real Hypocrisy going on here.

[Bunker]

Am I the only one that read this guys signature? There is some real Hypocrisy going on here.

hahaha, good catch!

[geoffhanna]

He was probably holding out for a warlock.

[Tin_Dragon]

You guys still talking about 1 player being denied in 1 shroud group, out of the hundreds of shrouds that happen each day?

Rejected
Join new group
Rejected
Start own group

Now if you get rejected from your own group, it is time for hello kitty. Aside from that, put on some man pants and go to work.

FTW

Really though people, that is it right there, I dont know how many times I see

Poster

Oh NOES I WAS NOT ALLOWED CAUSE OF X Y Z ITS HORRID YOUR ALL MEANZ)R N00BSSS

Get over it, LEAD your own darn group.

Its what I do. and we all know I am NEVER wrong

maybe I should start an ALL PALLY shroud.... he did just come of timer.....

[Cyr]

Am I the only one that read this guys signature? There is some real Hypocrisy going on here.

lol yeah it's pretty classic.

[Philam]

The sad thing is we will start to see more and more lfms/leaders/groups of people that don't really know what they ar doing! I think you better off not being in that group!

Ph

[royboy]

If Shroud lfm reflected, searching for DPS. Why would you bug him with your, I'm lv 20? Their is a strong chance the star has researched his grp and concluded. DPS would be perfect . Besides if you get declined. Try posting ur own lfm. Of course if u do put up your own LFM. Someone is going to put up.

[Samadhi]

There's a guild leader on our server that regularly doesn't allow pali's on his LFM's. Apparently he is not familiar with KotC

[Thrudh]

Am I the only one that read this guys signature? There is some real Hypocrisy going on here.

Heh, touche!

[Ministry]

Am I the only one that read this guys signature? There is some real Hypocrisy going on here.

+1 Ace.

Now that was good.



Best advice is the one you wrote yourself and forgot...

[eonfreon]

... to turn down a 18/2 paladin/rogue for a normal Shroud run full of 20th level characters?

Note that this person was looking for "DPS" and only had fighters and barbarians listed in the LFM...

Well, obviously you're doing it wrong. My 16 Pally/ 2 Ftr/ 2 Monk never gets declined. HEck I usually get people asking if I'll do the shroud .

And by definition your Pally 18/ Rog 2 should do better dps against Harry then me, since you're third tier KoTC and I'm only 2nd tier.

So we have to figure out what you're doing wrong. You must have chosen DoS PrE didn't you? And you admitted it to the party leader didn't you? Aha, we've figured it out .

Although really, they should have accepted you for the Poison Resist alone. That's usually one of my claims to fame in the Shroud.

[DoctorWhofan]

I generally turn down classes if I already have a bunch in my party that are that class (Rangers, usually) I like to have different types of DPS/healing/or whatever if possible.

Or looking for specifics, like INT for TS or CHA, INT, WIS for Xoriat Cipher. That is generally not by class.

If a guy joins and has some weird build, I generally send a tell back saying, "Hey we need DPS for this party, we are really light on it. Are you heavy DPS?" or picking locks or whatever is needed. Most respond describing their build, Which is fine to get clarifcation. Also, sometimes a little risk might be needed and you might learn something you cna put on your next build.

[Bunker]

It is the Shroud. Only thing you need to have is 12 ppl awake. Heck, sometimes you can get away with a few falling asleep at the keys.

I think everyone here needs to try to fill a shroud group at 3-4 am est. You will soon realize that it will take all night if you choose to be picky. Instead, take the first 12 that hit the lfm, and kick it off.

It is the shroud. Yu can have 11 players that are brand new. As long as you have 1 gamer that knows what is going on, there should be no problem.

BTW, in this day and age of ddo gamers, new and old, "good" "great" "uber" dps can come in the form of monk, barb, fighter, rogue, paladin, ranger, bard, cleric....seriously......it is the shroud.